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octogenarian

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:44 am
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Tuition Set To Rise 4.75% Next Year

But College will also expand financial aid

Published On Friday, March 24, 2006 4:50 PM

By EVAN H. JACOBS

Crimson Staff Writer

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Harvard College today announced a 4.75 percent increase in tuition for
the 2006-2007 academic year, bringing overall tuition to $43,655 per
student.

The College also announced a 6.2 percent increase in scholarships for
the upcoming academic year, bringing total aid to $90 million.

Both tuition and aid will increase at a slightly faster rate than they
did last year, when tuition was raised by 4.5 percent and scholarships
were increased by 5.8 percent.

The average student aid package next year will be just under $33,000,
according to a press release issued by the Faculty of Arts and Sciences
Office of Communications.

"We are very pleased to offer such exceptional financial support to
our undergraduates," Dean of the Faculty William C. Kirby said in the
press release. "We do so because quality deserves quality:
outstanding students from all backgrounds deserve an equal chance at
securing a strong education."

The announcement comes just over two years after University President
Lawrence H. Summers unveiled the Harvard Financial Aid Initiative
(HFAI), which eliminated tuition payments for families making less than
$40,000 a year and cut costs for families earning between $40,000 and
$60,000. Nearly 360 current freshmen qualify for HFAI, up 22 percent
from the previous year, according to figures released by the Office of
Admissions last April.

This year's 4.75 percent hike falls in line with the recent rate of
tuition growth at Harvard. Over the past five years, tuition increased
on average by 4.7 percent annually.

Tuition at Harvard has increased more slowly than costs at private
four-year schools in general; according to the College Board, the
overall tuition and fees at private four-year schools in the United
States have risen at an average annual rate of 5.8 from 2001 to 2006.

Yet while Harvard College's rate of increase has been smaller than at
many other schools, it still continues to outstrip inflation-even in
the higher education sector.

The Higher Education Price Index-a gauge of inflation calculated by
Commonfund, an investment firm in Wilton, Conn. that serves schools and
other nonprofit organizations-has increased by an average annual rate
of 3.4 percent over the past five years. The index measures movements
in the prices of goods and services purchased by colleges and
universities.

In an interview on Monday, Kirby pointed to a "very significant spike
in energy costs" as one of the major factors that are driving up
expenses for the Faculty of Arts and Sciences.

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David Ames

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:25 am
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I thought it was closer to 8 months.

Anyway, if you want a Harvard degree on the cheap, go nights.

David Ames

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:53 pm
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I once tried to figure out the "per hour" tuition cost.
Roughly 15 hours of instruction time a week times 32 weeks
is about $90 an hour. Some of that is professor, some T/A.
Does that make you guilty about cutting class? Smile
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:57 pm
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"rick++" <rick303 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143996823.637038.65040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I once tried to figure out the "per hour" tuition cost.
> Roughly 15 hours of instruction time a week times 32 weeks
> is about $90 an hour. Some of that is professor, some T/A.
> Does that make you guilty about cutting class? Smile
>

There are some good professors worth more than $90 per hour.
However there are way too many professors that are not worth what they pay a
cashier at Wal-Mart.

Nationally I've heard complaints about:

The professor is never at class on time.
They don't know the subject matter.
English is a second language for them, and they have a very poor command of
English
making the course useless (from a state university in Kansas).
The professor has been there too long, burnt out, head of the department,
during classes has little or no tolerance for anyone who doesn't get it
the first time, resulting in a significant percentage of the class failing
the course.
The professor has a political agenda that creeps into every course they
teach.
You rarely see the professor, just the TA (popular in SUNY New York
campuses)
The professor likes whips and chains and likes to take students home on the
weekends (SUNY New Paltz according to local newspaper court proceedings)
The professor has a disorder of some sort that impacts their teaching
ability (stuttering or psychological issues like panic and breakdown in
front of the class).

Other things that affect course quality.
Facilities decaying around you.
Inability to take a course when you need it because there are not enough
classrooms or professors to teach it, or students who don't need the course
but have more credits than those who need it sign up for the course to hold
the space open for friends with less credits (popular in New Jersey State
colleges)
..
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:34 pm
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Steve Stone wrote:
> "rick++" <rick303.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143996823.637038.65040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I once tried to figure out the "per hour" tuition cost.
>>Roughly 15 hours of instruction time a week times 32 weeks
>>is about $90 an hour. Some of that is professor, some T/A.
>>Does that make you guilty about cutting class? Smile
>>
>
>
> There are some good professors worth more than $90 per hour.
> However there are way too many professors that are not worth what they pay a
> cashier at Wal-Mart.
>
> Nationally I've heard complaints about:
>
> The professor is never at class on time.
> They don't know the subject matter.
> English is a second language for them, and they have a very poor command of
> English
> making the course useless (from a state university in Kansas).
> The professor has been there too long, burnt out, head of the department,
> during classes has little or no tolerance for anyone who doesn't get it
> the first time, resulting in a significant percentage of the class failing
> the course.
> The professor has a political agenda that creeps into every course they
> teach.

[...]

AND! I've heard of CEO's;

* relocating operations oversees and rip large rewards. In the process,
they ruined communities and thousands of lives.

* driving their companies into ruins, but depart with millions of
dollars worth of 'golden' parachutes. etc.

AND! I've heard of the Harvard boys, the ones facilitated the looting of
Russia's wealth, transferring it to a few oligarchs, resulting in five
years of depression. (I am referring to our long time ago exchange)

Do you wonder why Putin's popularity rating is at 64%, while Bush's at
37%. The answer is simple. One protects his people, the other sells them
out for the benefit of a few.

So? What's your point of attacking our teachers, professors with your
anecdotes? It's difficult to dumb down bright, young kids! It has never
been done. Corrupt them later? Yes.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:16 pm
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"dapra" <dapra1.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Steve Stone wrote:
>> "rick++" <rick303.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143996823.637038.65040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>I once tried to figure out the "per hour" tuition cost.
>>>Roughly 15 hours of instruction time a week times 32 weeks
>>>is about $90 an hour. Some of that is professor, some T/A.
>>>Does that make you guilty about cutting class? Smile
>>>
>>
>>
>> There are some good professors worth more than $90 per hour.
>> However there are way too many professors that are not worth what they
>> pay a cashier at Wal-Mart.
>>
>> Nationally I've heard complaints about:
>>
>> The professor is never at class on time.
>> They don't know the subject matter.
>> English is a second language for them, and they have a very poor command
>> of English
>> making the course useless (from a state university in Kansas).
>> The professor has been there too long, burnt out, head of the department,
>> during classes has little or no tolerance for anyone who doesn't get it
>> the first time, resulting in a significant percentage of the class
>> failing the course.
>> The professor has a political agenda that creeps into every course they
>> teach.
>
> [...]
>
> AND! I've heard of CEO's;
>
> * relocating operations oversees and rip large rewards. In the process,
> they ruined communities and thousands of lives.
>
> * driving their companies into ruins, but depart with millions of dollars
> worth of 'golden' parachutes. etc.
>
> AND! I've heard of the Harvard boys, the ones facilitated the looting of
> Russia's wealth, transferring it to a few oligarchs, resulting in five
> years of depression. (I am referring to our long time ago exchange)
>
> Do you wonder why Putin's popularity rating is at 64%, while Bush's at
> 37%. The answer is simple. One protects his people, the other sells them
> out for the benefit of a few.
>
> So? What's your point of attacking our teachers, professors with your
> anecdotes? It's difficult to dumb down bright, young kids! It has never
> been done. Corrupt them later? Yes.


My point is too many of our educators are not worth $90 per hour.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:16 pm
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Steve Stone wrote:
> "dapra" <dapra1.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OLydnZz9Prcp5azZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Steve Stone wrote:
>>
>>>"rick++" <rick303.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1143996823.637038.65040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I once tried to figure out the "per hour" tuition cost.
>>>>Roughly 15 hours of instruction time a week times 32 weeks
>>>>is about $90 an hour. Some of that is professor, some T/A.
>>>>Does that make you guilty about cutting class? Smile
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There are some good professors worth more than $90 per hour.
>>>However there are way too many professors that are not worth what they
>>>pay a cashier at Wal-Mart.
>>>
>>>Nationally I've heard complaints about:
>>>
>>>The professor is never at class on time.
>>>They don't know the subject matter.
>>>English is a second language for them, and they have a very poor command
>>>of English
>>>making the course useless (from a state university in Kansas).
>>>The professor has been there too long, burnt out, head of the department,
>>>during classes has little or no tolerance for anyone who doesn't get it
>>>the first time, resulting in a significant percentage of the class
>>>failing the course.
>>>The professor has a political agenda that creeps into every course they
>>>teach.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>AND! I've heard of CEO's;
>>
>>* relocating operations oversees and rip large rewards. In the process,
>>they ruined communities and thousands of lives.
>>
>>* driving their companies into ruins, but depart with millions of dollars
>>worth of 'golden' parachutes. etc.
>>
>>AND! I've heard of the Harvard boys, the ones facilitated the looting of
>>Russia's wealth, transferring it to a few oligarchs, resulting in five
>>years of depression. (I am referring to our long time ago exchange)
>>
>>Do you wonder why Putin's popularity rating is at 64%, while Bush's at
>>37%. The answer is simple. One protects his people, the other sells them
>>out for the benefit of a few.
>>
>>So? What's your point of attacking our teachers, professors with your
>>anecdotes? It's difficult to dumb down bright, young kids! It has never
>>been done. Corrupt them later? Yes.
>
>
>
> My point is too many of our educators are not worth $90 per hour.
>

That could be true, in some cases, it is, and must be true.
But is a former congressman worth millions per year? Obviously, he is! I
let you figure it out why.

Our higher education system, in spite of its faults is still a lot
cleaner than businesses or politics.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:05 am
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Steve Stone wrote:
>
>
> My point is too many of our educators are not worth $90 per hour.

When the student pays $90 an hour for instructional time, most of that
money is for the general overhead of the university.

David Ames
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:57 am
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The Congress critters like to note that average full professor at an
ivy-class
university makes $200,000 a year and spends 200 hours a year in the
classroom
for a hair-raising $1000 a lecture hour.
More realistic that full professor is spending 75% of their time in
research and
administration and every lecture hour is backup by a an hour or two of
preparation, making up tests, etc. reducing this to more realistically
to
$100 - $200 an hour of teaching duty. Average class size at that
university may
be 15 students.

Compare this to your gyspy lecturer at a community college who is paid
$2000 - $3000
per course for about 80-100 hours of work for that course. They have
do 15-20 of these
a year to make a modest income.
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