Basketball 101 At Georgia

Hey, there was once a course on Rubik's Cube in Dartmouth.

So, are the tests given shirts vs skins?

brojack.RemoveThis@windswept.net (BroJack) wrote in message news:<ae8b3ba35af1a483e01eec5b69d37cea.RemoveThis@news.meganetnews.com>...
> BWAHAHAHAHA!
> ___________
>
> Athens -- The final exam administered by former assistant basketball
> coach Jim Harrick Jr. has put the University of Georgia back in the
> national spotlight -- for all the wrong reasons.
>
> And because of it, the school is being "held up to the rest of the
> world as a laughingstock by yet another sports scandal," one UGA
> professor complained Thursday.
>
> The 20 multiple-choice questions on the final exam given to students
> in Harrick's "Coaching Principles and Strategies of Basketball" course
> in the fall semester of 2001 included how many goals are on a
> basketball court and how many points does a 3-point field goal account
> for in a basketball game.
>
> A copy of the exam was included in more than 1,500 pages of exhibits
> and evidence that Georgia delivered this week as part of its official
> response to an NCAA investigation into rules violations under Harrick
> and his father, former head basketball coach Jim Harrick Sr.
>
> The quiz, the only one given for the course, has been featured in the
> national media and has created a buzz among sports talk radio shows
> and Internet chat rooms. By Thursday night, the exam was a hot topic
> from National Public Radio to Don Imus' nationally syndicated radio
> show and was the butt of jokes during TNT's NBA programming.
>
> It even made NBC's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." In his monologue,
> Leno noted the uproar over the Georgia exam, citing the question about
> how many points a three-point shot is worth. "I don't know who was
> more embarrassed -- the college president, the coach or the six
> players who got it wrong," Leno quipped.
>
> "This is a shameful revelation and it embarrasses every member of the
> faculty, every student, and it devalues every diploma given to UGA
> graduates," said journalism professor Conrad Fink.
>
> Harrick Jr. could not be reached for comment Thursday. He and his
> father have filed a federal lawsuit against UGA President Michael
> Adams, athletics director Vince Dooley and 11 other defendants,
> claiming they have been defamed.
>
> Harrick Jr. was suspended and then fired last March after former
> player Tony Cole accused the coach of giving him improper academic
> assistance and other benefits. Harrick Sr. was forced to resign and
> retired. Last year's team, led by first-round NBA draft pick Jarvis
> Hayes, was forced to sit out the SEC and NCAA tournaments.
>
> According to the evidence presented to the NCAA, Georgia investigators
> found Harrick Jr. falsified attendance records and progress reports of
> three basketball players enrolled in the course. Harrick told UGA
> counselors that basketball players Cole, Chris Daniels and Rashad
> Wright attended every class, and were making grades of "A" at the
> midpoint of the semester.
>
> UGA's investigation determined that the players never attended class
> after the first day, and none took the mandatory final exam.
>
> Fink said Harrick's no-brainer of an exam is an example of athletics
> sullying the university's academic reputation. Last week, he said, he
> interviewed candidates for the school's prestigious Foundation
> Fellowship scholarships, and now he's worried how those students will
> react to the latest controversy.
>
> "These are students with perfect 1,600 SAT scores who will go to
> Harvard, Princeton or Yale if they don't come to [UGA], and this
> weekend we're being held up to the rest of the world as a
> laughingstock by yet another sports scandal," Fink said.
>
> Some UGA students also were embarrassed.
>
> "I think it is a joke," said senior finance major Brandon Dial. "It's
> pretty ridiculous that he could get away with that. I'm glad the
> Harricks are out of here. . . . They set Georgia basketball back a
> couple of years and really hurt us."
>
> The exam especially hurts students like junior Jay Owens, a physical
> education major. He said physical education might sound easy to some,
> but his courses include "Biomechanics and Applied Anatomy," "Applied
> Exercise Physiology" and "Adaptive Physical Education."
>
> "We take it pretty seriously," Owens said. "There is a stereotype
> there, one that I want to change."
>
> Harrick's exam is "shameful to our department," the student said.
> "That's not even close to the tests I've had. I've yet to see anything
> like that."
>
> Exam not reviewed
>
> The university's response to the NCAA said the class Harrick taught
> was a teaching methods course within the College of Education.
>
> Dr. Paul Schempp, head of the Physical Education and Sports Studies
> department, told investigators the two professors who had taught the
> course for more than 10 years retired, and he was told that Harrick,
> the assistant basketball coach, was interested in teaching the class.
>
> Schempp said Harrick told him he had taught similar courses at
> Marshall and San Diego State. The syllabus Harrick presented indicated
> there would be an attendance policy and a mandatory final exam,
> Schempp said. The department head said he did not review the final
> exam before it was given.
>
> In its response to the NCAA, Georgia officials did not take issue with
> the apparent easiness of Harrick's course or his qualifications for
> teaching it. For the purpose of NCAA rules compliance, UGA only
> addressed whether student athletes and regular students in the class
> received "equal treatment for all."
>
> Since the players only attended a few of the classes and did not take
> the final exam, Georgia's determination was that they had received
> preferential treatment.
>
> http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/0304/05harrick.html
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In case you don't have the Mississippi Resolutions, here's a copy for your
website:

--------------------------------------------------------

"MISSISSIPPI

ADOPTED JANUARY 9TH,, 1861.

THE people of Mississippi, in convention assembled, do ordain
and declare, and it is hereby ordained and declared as
follows,, to wit.:

That all the laws and ordinances by which the said State of
Mississippi became a member of the federal of the United
States of America, be, and the same are hereby repealed; and
that all obligations on the part of said State, or the people
thereof, to observe the same be withdrawn; and that the said
State shall hereby resume the rights, functions, and powers,
which, by any of said laws and ordinances, where conveyed to
the Government of the said United States, and is dissolved from
all the obligation, restraints, and duties incurred to the said
Federal Union, and shall henceforth be a free, sovereign and
independent State.
--------------------------

Lofty sounding, ain't it?

But let us take a look at a document which is very rarely seen and even less
mentioned:


--------------------------

THE MISSISSIPPI RESOLUTIONS

Whereas, the constitutional Union was formed by the several
states in their separate soverign capacity for the purpose of
mutual advantage and protection;

That the several states are distinct sovereignities, whose
supremacy is limited so far only as the same has been delegated
by voluntary compact to a federal government, and, when it
fails to accomplish the ends for which it was established, the
parties to the compact have the right to resume, each state for
itself, such delegated powers;

That the institution of slavery existed prior to the formation
of the federal Constitution, and is recognized by its letter,
and all efforts to impair its value or lessen its duration by
Congress, or any of the free states, is a violation of the
compact of Union and is destructive of the ends for which it
was ordained, but in defiance of the principles of the Union
thus established, the people of the Northern states have
assumed a revolutionary position toward the Southern states;

That they have set at defiance that portion of the Constitution
which was intended to secure domestic tranquility among the
states and promote their general welfare, namely: "No person
held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof,
escaping into another shall, in consequence of any law or
regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor,
but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom the
service or labor may be due;"

That they have by voluntary associations, individual agencies,
and state legislation inteferred with slavery as it prevails in
the slaveholding states;

That they have enticed our slaves from us and, by state
intervention, obstructed and prevented their rendition under
the Fugitive Slave Law;

That they continue their system of agitation obviously for the
purpose of encouraging other slaves to escape from service, to
weaken the institution in the slaveholding states by rendering
the holding of such property insecure, and as a consequence its
ultimate abolition certain;

That they claim the right and demand its execution by Congress,
to exclude slavery from the territories, but claim the right of
possession for every species of property owned by themselves;

That they declare in every manner in which public opinion is
expressed their unalterable determination to exclude from
admittance into the Union any new state that tolerates slavery
in its constitution and thereby force Congress to a
condemnation of that species of property;

That they thus seek by an increase of Abolition states "to
acquire two-thirds of both houses," for the purpose of
preparing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States
abolishing slavery in the states, and so continue the agitation
that the proposed amendment shall be ratified by the
legislatures of three-fourths of the states;

That they have, in violation of the comity of all civilized
nations and in violation of the comity established by the
Constitution of the United States, insulted and outraged our
citizens when traveling among them for pleasure, health, or
business, by taking their servants and liberating the same,
under the forms of state laws, and subjecting their owners to
degrading and ignominious punishment;

That to encourage the stealing of our property they have put at
defiance that provision of the Constitution which declares that
fugitives from justice into another state, on demand of the
executive authority of that state from which he fled, shall be
delivered up;

That they have sought to create domestic discord in the
Southern states by incendiary publications;

That they have encouraged a hostile invasion of a Southern
state to excite insurrection, murder, and rapine;

That they have deprived Southern citizens of their property and
continue an unfriendly agitation of their domestic
institutions, claiming for themselves perfect immunity from
external interference with their domestic policy;

We of the Southern state alone made an exception to that
universal quiet;

That they have elected a majority of electors for President and
Vice-President on the ground that there exists an
irreconcilable conflict between the two sections of the
Confederacy in reference to their respective systems of labor
and in pursuance of their hostility to us and our institutions,
thus declaring to the civilized world that the powers of this
government are to be used for the dishonor and overthrow of the
Southern section of this great Confederacy,

Therefore:

Be it resolved by the legislature of the state of Mississippi
that, in the opinion of those who now constitute the said
legislature, the secession of each aggrieved state is the
proper remedy for these injuries.

-----------------------------------------------------


Seems that the War of the Rebellion was about slavery after all, don't it
now.



Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
Armed Forces of the United States of America

". . . all enemies, domestic and foreign."
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Like wow, Scooby; look what man_in_black529.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (MIB529) just
wrote!:

>Hey, there was once a course on Rubik's Cube in Dartmouth.
>
>So, are the tests given shirts vs skins?

Maybe there's a course in Introductory Respiratory Theory. The lab
component is, "Here, fog this mirror. You pass!"


>brojack@windswept.net (BroJack) wrote in message news:<ae8b3ba35af1a483e01eec5b69d37cea.RemoveThis@news.meganetnews.com>...
>> BWAHAHAHAHA!
>> ___________
>>
>> Athens -- The final exam administered by former assistant basketball
>> coach Jim Harrick Jr. has put the University of Georgia back in the
>> national spotlight -- for all the wrong reasons.
>>
>> And because of it, the school is being "held up to the rest of the
>> world as a laughingstock by yet another sports scandal," one UGA
>> professor complained Thursday.
>>
>> The 20 multiple-choice questions on the final exam given to students
>> in Harrick's "Coaching Principles and Strategies of Basketball" course
>> in the fall semester of 2001 included how many goals are on a
>> basketball court and how many points does a 3-point field goal account
>> for in a basketball game.
>>
>> A copy of the exam was included in more than 1,500 pages of exhibits
>> and evidence that Georgia delivered this week as part of its official
>> response to an NCAA investigation into rules violations under Harrick
>> and his father, former head basketball coach Jim Harrick Sr.
>>
>> The quiz, the only one given for the course, has been featured in the
>> national media and has created a buzz among sports talk radio shows
>> and Internet chat rooms. By Thursday night, the exam was a hot topic
>> from National Public Radio to Don Imus' nationally syndicated radio
>> show and was the butt of jokes during TNT's NBA programming.
>>
>> It even made NBC's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." In his monologue,
>> Leno noted the uproar over the Georgia exam, citing the question about
>> how many points a three-point shot is worth. "I don't know who was
>> more embarrassed -- the college president, the coach or the six
>> players who got it wrong," Leno quipped.
>>
>> "This is a shameful revelation and it embarrasses every member of the
>> faculty, every student, and it devalues every diploma given to UGA
>> graduates," said journalism professor Conrad Fink.
>>
>> Harrick Jr. could not be reached for comment Thursday. He and his
>> father have filed a federal lawsuit against UGA President Michael
>> Adams, athletics director Vince Dooley and 11 other defendants,
>> claiming they have been defamed.
>>
>> Harrick Jr. was suspended and then fired last March after former
>> player Tony Cole accused the coach of giving him improper academic
>> assistance and other benefits. Harrick Sr. was forced to resign and
>> retired. Last year's team, led by first-round NBA draft pick Jarvis
>> Hayes, was forced to sit out the SEC and NCAA tournaments.
>>
>> According to the evidence presented to the NCAA, Georgia investigators
>> found Harrick Jr. falsified attendance records and progress reports of
>> three basketball players enrolled in the course. Harrick told UGA
>> counselors that basketball players Cole, Chris Daniels and Rashad
>> Wright attended every class, and were making grades of "A" at the
>> midpoint of the semester.
>>
>> UGA's investigation determined that the players never attended class
>> after the first day, and none took the mandatory final exam.
>>
>> Fink said Harrick's no-brainer of an exam is an example of athletics
>> sullying the university's academic reputation. Last week, he said, he
>> interviewed candidates for the school's prestigious Foundation
>> Fellowship scholarships, and now he's worried how those students will
>> react to the latest controversy.
>>
>> "These are students with perfect 1,600 SAT scores who will go to
>> Harvard, Princeton or Yale if they don't come to [UGA], and this
>> weekend we're being held up to the rest of the world as a
>> laughingstock by yet another sports scandal," Fink said.
>>
>> Some UGA students also were embarrassed.
>>
>> "I think it is a joke," said senior finance major Brandon Dial. "It's
>> pretty ridiculous that he could get away with that. I'm glad the
>> Harricks are out of here. . . . They set Georgia basketball back a
>> couple of years and really hurt us."
>>
>> The exam especially hurts students like junior Jay Owens, a physical
>> education major. He said physical education might sound easy to some,
>> but his courses include "Biomechanics and Applied Anatomy," "Applied
>> Exercise Physiology" and "Adaptive Physical Education."
>>
>> "We take it pretty seriously," Owens said. "There is a stereotype
>> there, one that I want to change."
>>
>> Harrick's exam is "shameful to our department," the student said.
>> "That's not even close to the tests I've had. I've yet to see anything
>> like that."
>>
>> Exam not reviewed
>>
>> The university's response to the NCAA said the class Harrick taught
>> was a teaching methods course within the College of Education.
>>
>> Dr. Paul Schempp, head of the Physical Education and Sports Studies
>> department, told investigators the two professors who had taught the
>> course for more than 10 years retired, and he was told that Harrick,
>> the assistant basketball coach, was interested in teaching the class.
>>
>> Schempp said Harrick told him he had taught similar courses at
>> Marshall and San Diego State. The syllabus Harrick presented indicated
>> there would be an attendance policy and a mandatory final exam,
>> Schempp said. The department head said he did not review the final
>> exam before it was given.
>>
>> In its response to the NCAA, Georgia officials did not take issue with
>> the apparent easiness of Harrick's course or his qualifications for
>> teaching it. For the purpose of NCAA rules compliance, UGA only
>> addressed whether student athletes and regular students in the class
>> received "equal treatment for all."
>>
>> Since the players only attended a few of the classes and did not take
>> the final exam, Georgia's determination was that they had received
>> preferential treatment.
>>
>> http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/0304/05harrick.html



--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam
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Gray Shockley wrote:
>
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> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Seems that the War of the Rebellion was about slavery after all, don't it
> now.

Only to a point. Actually, slavery in EXISTING states wasn't even the
hot issue. Lincoln even promised that slavery would continue, unabated,
in states that rejoined the union. The real issue was if the new
invention of an overbearing federal government, the single "nation",
could dictate policy to "subservient" states. That is, if states still
had the constitutionally guarenteed rights to self-government in all
cases not explicitly defined by the U.S. Constitution, if states
retained the right of slavery, NOT the practice of slavery, per se, but
the right of slavery and all other rights "delegated to the states".

In other words, the South was on the side of legality and the U.S.
Constitution. The Republican party was on the side of illegal
usurpation of Constitutionally delegated rights. As we have seen since
"the war", it didn't stop there. The Hydra that we suffer under now is
the direct descendant of Big Brother principles set into motion when the
new Republican party sneeked into power with only 42% of the vote in
1860. The Federal government now thinks of states only as vassals, mere
tributaries to be kept in line with an iron fist if neccessary.

The brand new Republican party, in the interest of "good", orchestrated
the complete overhaul of the the relationship of the federation of
"states" (as in "United StateS"), and pissed on the U.S. Constitution
for the sole purpose of finally bringing the Southern states in line to
eliminate the competition of free labor. The issue was never compassion
for slaves, it was the unfair competition of "free" labor.

Even the argument of "free labor" was unjustified. Pay to Northern,
white labor, at the time was, maybe, $15 per month. That is $3,600 per
20 years. A young, healthy, fully-grown buck cost over $2,000, hardly
"free".

Again, the war was about Constitutional state's rights, chief among
those, the right to practice slavery, and, in particular, the issue that
Western terrirories belonged jointly to all states and the central
government had no right to define those territories as non-slave in
difference to the inhabitents. Slavery was the underlying issue, but
not the legal basis leading to the war.

--
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> Ron Hammon
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>
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Hope you don't get any oddly-shaped mail from putting your
address in your sigfile. Which, BTW, is over four lines,
the net standard.

*plonk*
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Ron Hammon <rhammon.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote:
>Gray Shockley wrote:
>> Seems that the War of the Rebellion was about slavery after all, don't it
>> now.
>
>Only to a point.

If slavery had not been an issue, then things would not have gotten to
the point of rebellion.

>Actually, slavery in EXISTING states wasn't even the hot issue.

But it was. John Brown had made it one when he became a martyr in the
North, and the South was sure that sooner or later someone in the
north would prompt a slave rebellion. The earlier issues were the
status of slavery in the territories, because the South knew that
absent guarantees of slavery in the territories, that sooner or later
there would be enough free states to change the constitution.

>Lincoln even promised that slavery would continue, unabated,
>in states that rejoined the union.

The rebellion started before Lincoln even took office, so that isn't
relevant. To the North, it was a question of whether a state could
secede (and in addition confiscate the Federal property within its
boundaries).

>The real issue was if the new
>invention of an overbearing federal government, the single "nation",
>could dictate policy to "subservient" states. That is, if states still
>had the constitutionally guarenteed rights to self-government in all
>cases not explicitly defined by the U.S. Constitution, if states
>retained the right of slavery, NOT the practice of slavery, per se, but
>the right of slavery and all other rights "delegated to the states".

That was not the issue, since as you noted, there was no Federal move
to impose a change on the existing states before secession. The South
was unhappy that the northern states didn't kowtow to the Feds and
obey the fugitive slave law as well.

>In other words, the South was on the side of legality and the U.S.
>Constitution.

Nonsense.

>The Republican party was on the side of illegal
>usurpation of Constitutionally delegated rights.

Not until after the war started.

> As we have seen since
>"the war", it didn't stop there. The Hydra that we suffer under now is
>the direct descendant of Big Brother principles set into motion when the
>new Republican party sneeked into power with only 42% of the vote in
>1860.

They had a majority of the electoral votes, same as the current
President who also was elected by a minority.

Meanwhile we are a stronger nation as a result.

And you ignore the fact that the Confederacy was more of a military
dictatorship than the North could even have been. The South was
perfectly willing to violate its alleged principles in order to keep
its slaves, and it wasn't willing to heed Lee's advice to free the
slaves in order to achieve its other goals.

>The Federal government now thinks of states only as vassals, mere
>tributaries to be kept in line with an iron fist if neccessary.

Except when it doesn't.

>The brand new Republican party, in the interest of "good", orchestrated
>the complete overhaul of the the relationship of the federation of
>"states" (as in "United StateS"),

That was the punishment for the treason by the South.

>and pissed on the U.S. Constitution
>for the sole purpose of finally bringing the Southern states in line to
>eliminate the competition of free labor.

The Constitution was amended according to proper procedures.

>The issue was never compassion
>for slaves, it was the unfair competition of "free" labor.

"Free" labor isn't 'unfair'.

>Even the argument of "free labor" was unjustified. Pay to Northern,
>white labor, at the time was, maybe, $15 per month. That is $3,600 per
>20 years. A young, healthy, fully-grown buck cost over $2,000, hardly
>"free".

Especially for the salve.

>Again, the war was about Constitutional state's rights, chief among
>those, the right to practice slavery, and, in particular, the issue that
>Western terrirories belonged jointly to all states and the central
>government had no right to define those territories as non-slave in
>difference to the inhabitents.

The Constitution gave the Federal government the sole power to run the
territories.

>Slavery was the underlying issue, but not the legal basis leading to the war.

The war itself started because South Carolina troops fired on Sumter,
which was Federal property. There was no provision in the
Constitution for states to confiscate Federal property merely by
seceding (even if they had the right to secede from a permanent
union). Even today, the US continues to have its base in Guantanamo
because Cuba doesn't have the right even as an independent country to
secede from its treaty obligations and confiscate the lawfully
obtained property of another government.

But it all doesn't matter. The South lost and its argument was thus
defeated by force of arms. Most of the South accepted that the test
of arms determined the issue. You apparently do not accept that
reality.

lojbab
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MIB529 wrote:
>
> > Ron Hammon
> >
> > http://www.proudrebel.com
> >
> > PROUD REBEL
> > POB 1700
> > HARTSELLE AL 35640
>
> Hope you don't get any oddly-shaped mail from putting your
> address in your sigfile. Which, BTW, is over four lines,
> the net standard.
>
> *plonk*

Actually, if you looked at the post, I added nothing. The reason was
that I was trying to forward it to my daughter, who plays basketball and
plans to attend college in Georgia. I don't know what happened. I never
intended to release my address in this forum.

Lol. However, you must have a really, REALLY thin skin if you plonk
someone for using over four lines in a sig. Been around Usenet long?


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Ron Hammon <rhammon RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote:

>MIB529 wrote:
>>
>> > Ron Hammon
>> >
>> > http://www.proudrebel.com
>>
>> Hope you don't get any oddly-shaped mail from putting your
>> address in your sigfile. Which, BTW, is over four lines,
>> the net standard.
>>
>> *plonk*
>
>Actually, if you looked at the post, I added nothing. The reason was
>that I was trying to forward it to my daughter, who plays basketball and
>plans to attend college in Georgia. I don't know what happened. I never
>intended to release my address in this forum.
>
>Lol. However, you must have a really, REALLY thin skin if you plonk
>someone for using over four lines in a sig. Been around Usenet long?
>

Lot of folks do Ron Ron
hehehe....

I respectfully killed all physical addresses, phone numbers, etc. from
my re:

Poor Netiquette not to do so on the usenet.

It's NOT THE LAW, though!

That's why I love the Groups. Free forum thought, ideas, and ideals
whether you like them or not.

Ciao,
NC
(Walked out the bathroom naked on that one, eh?
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> >> > http://www.proudrebel.com
> >>
> >> Hope you don't get any oddly-shaped mail from putting your
> >> address in your sigfile. Which, BTW, is over four lines,
> >> the net standard.
> >>
> >> *plonk*
> >
> >Actually, if you looked at the post, I added nothing. The reason was
> >that I was trying to forward it to my daughter, who plays basketball and
> >plans to attend college in Georgia. I don't know what happened. I never
> >intended to release my address in this forum.
> >
> >Lol. However, you must have a really, REALLY thin skin if you plonk
> >someone for using over four lines in a sig. Been around Usenet long?
> >
>
> Lot of folks do Ron Ron
> hehehe....

Yeah, it's bad enough that spammers already take up too much bandwidth,
and not all of us have RAM.

It's generally bad form to post your address or phone number on usenet,
unless you like telemarketers and junk mail. But I know ways to make
marketroids' jobs a living hell.
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