Christian References a No-No at Public Schools

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> had his state-sponsored college scholarship
>> stripped when officials discovered he'd be majoring in theology.
>> Critics say kids shouldn't be silenced when they try to express their
>> Christian faith or pursue an interest in religion. But proponents of such
>> measures argue they're important for ensuring the classroom doesn't become
>> the church pulpit.
>
>This story isn't listed as a "Editorial" or as "Opinion." It's under "Top
>Stories."

Well, as a matter of fact, the scholarship was stripped, but the
ACLJ won in court so it was reinstated. I do think the freedom
to study whatever you wish to study in college is a good thing.
If you have the academic credentials to get the scholarship,
the state has no grounds to take it away because you want to
study religion, imo.

http://www.aclj.org/news/pressreleases/021204_davey.asp

The Promise Scholarship provides financial assistance to
students from low and middle income families who exhibit
high academic credentials and are enrolled in an accredited
public or private post-secondary school within the state of
Washington.

The ACLJ filed suit in 2000 after the state said it would not
follow through with the funding because Davey violated a
state policy that prohibited students from receiving
scholarship funds if they majored in theology.

A federal district court ruled against Davey and the
decision was appealed to the 9th Circuit. In its decision in
July, the three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit said that the
state's policy "lacks neutrality on its face" and concluded
that the state "impermissibly deprived Davey of his
scholarship."

In an order received today and dated November 26, 2002,
the 9th Circuit said it rejected the state's request for a
re-hearing on the Davey case before the entire panel of the
9th circuit. In denying the petition to rehear the case en banc,
the court said the matter failed to receive a majority of the
votes needed to proceed.

Of course, the OP doesn't want anyone to know how the
case turned out because that would mean that the
discrimination he sees was struck down.


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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Like where?
>
>> prayers have been stopped at school football games

Comeon, folks. Google can be your friend. He is not totally off the
wall in this one. Though again, this is old news and it isn't exactly
what he would like to believe.

http://www.abpnews.com/abpnews/story.cfm?newsId=2096

Supreme Court blocks prayers at football games
June 20, 2000 - Volume: 00-54 By Kenny Byrd

WASHINGTON (ABP) -- Opening high school football
games with prayer violates the separation of church and
state, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in an eagerly
anticipated decision June 19.

While not banning all prayers at public schools, the
ourt ruled 6-3 that a Texas school district's policy of
allowing a student elected by a majority of classmates
to deliver an invocation over the public-address system
before home varsity football games is unconstitutional.

The policy of the Santa Fe Independent School District
in Galveston County, Texas, amounts to state-
sponsorship of prayer, which violates the First
Amendment's Establishment Clause, the justices
decided.

**************

"Nothing in the Constitution as interpreted by this
court prohibits any public school student from
voluntarily praying at any time before, during, or
after the school day. But the religious liberty
protected by the Constitution is abridged when the
state affirmatively sponsors the particular practice
of prayer," he said.

The Santa Fe school board adopted the prayer policy
in 1995. It allows students selected by their colleagues
to deliver invocations and benedictions at graduation
ceremonies and a "brief invocation and/or message"
during pregame ceremonies at home varsity football
games.

*************************************************************
An anonymous group of Mormon and Catholic students
and their mothers challenged the policy in court.
*************************************************************

Note here that it was not atheists who challenged this,
but Catholics and Mormons who are also Christian, just
not of the same sect that was in the majority in this
district.



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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> A New York City school
>
>Any idea which one? Any way to check on this?

I have to admit that this is a novel approach to the problem <g>

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/12/161706.shtml

According to Thomas More Law Center, New York City's
school system recently filed legal briefs disputing the notion
that a Christmas Nativity scene, depicting the birth of Jesus,
is a historical event.

More detail here:

I think this case may still be pending as I could not find any
information on a ruling in it.

>
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200212/CU...021211b
>

Skoros' two elementary school children attend the Edith
Bergtraum School and P.S. 184, both located in Queens,
New York. At P.S. 184, attended by her youngest son, there
are three Menorahs and a three-foot tall Christmas tree
inside, near the building's entrance, according to the
lawsuit.

The U.S. Supreme Court, in past rulings, has labeled the
Christmas tree a secular symbol and the Jewish Menorah
a religious symbol, according to Richard Thompson,
executive director and chief counsel for the Thomas More
Law Center.

So, if New York City public school officials allow Menorahs
to be displayed in their buildings, they should allow a
Christian equivalent, Thompson argues.

***************************

Interestingly, there was a case against the city of Syracuse, NY
ended that ended with the Nativity Scene allowed to stay.

http://csmail.law.pace.edu/lawlib/legal/us-legal/judiciary/second-circ.../test3/

Finding that the crèche was not a religious endorsement in light
of its overall setting and that the various decorations had a
secular purpose, the district court found no Establishment
Clause violation. Elewski v. City of Syracuse, 95-CV-1830
(FJS), 1996 WL 31169 (N.D.N.Y. Jan. 19, 1996).


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"toto" <scarecrow DeleteThis @wicked.witch> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> had his state-sponsored college scholarship
> >> stripped when officials discovered he'd be majoring in theology.
> >> Critics say kids shouldn't be silenced when they try to express their
> >> Christian faith or pursue an interest in religion. But proponents of
such
> >> measures argue they're important for ensuring the classroom doesn't
become
> >> the church pulpit.
> >
> >This story isn't listed as a "Editorial" or as "Opinion." It's under "Top
> >Stories."
>
> Well, as a matter of fact, the scholarship was stripped, but the
> ACLJ won in court so it was reinstated.

Whose scholarship? Which school?

The "story said nothing." It's a bullshit "top story."

> I do think the freedom
> to study whatever you wish to study in college is a good thing.
> If you have the academic credentials to get the scholarship,
> the state has no grounds to take it away because you want to
> study religion, imo.
>
> http://www.aclj.org/news/pressreleases/021204_davey.asp
>
> The Promise Scholarship provides financial assistance to
> students from low and middle income families who exhibit
> high academic credentials and are enrolled in an accredited
> public or private post-secondary school within the state of
> Washington.
>
> The ACLJ filed suit in 2000 after the state said it would not
> follow through with the funding because Davey violated a
> state policy that prohibited students from receiving
> scholarship funds if they majored in theology.
>
> A federal district court ruled against Davey and the
> decision was appealed to the 9th Circuit. In its decision in
> July, the three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit said that the
> state's policy "lacks neutrality on its face" and concluded
> that the state "impermissibly deprived Davey of his
> scholarship."
>
> In an order received today and dated November 26, 2002,
> the 9th Circuit said it rejected the state's request for a
> re-hearing on the Davey case before the entire panel of the
> 9th circuit. In denying the petition to rehear the case en banc,
> the court said the matter failed to receive a majority of the
> votes needed to proceed.
>
> Of course, the OP doesn't want anyone to know how the
> case turned out because that would mean that the
> discrimination he sees was struck down.
>
>
> --
> Dorothy
>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>
> The Outer Limits
 >> Stay informed about: Christian References a No-No at Public Schools 

"toto" <scarecrow DeleteThis @wicked.witch> wrote in message
news:ap5muvoeutufuqnosmksuch19k9gcard89@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Like where?
> >
> >> prayers have been stopped at school football games
>
> Comeon, folks. Google can be your friend. He is not totally off the
> wall in this one.

He who? The story's unsigned. It could be anyone. It could be a man or a
woman.

An unsigned story about people with no names and schools with no names.

This is a Fox "news" "top story".

> Though again, this is old news and it isn't exactly
> what he would like to believe.
>
> http://www.abpnews.com/abpnews/story.cfm?newsId=2096
>
> Supreme Court blocks prayers at football games
> June 20, 2000 - Volume: 00-54 By Kenny Byrd
>
> WASHINGTON (ABP) -- Opening high school football
> games with prayer violates the separation of church and
> state, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in an eagerly
> anticipated decision June 19.
>
> While not banning all prayers at public schools, the
> ourt ruled 6-3 that a Texas school district's policy of
> allowing a student elected by a majority of classmates
> to deliver an invocation over the public-address system
> before home varsity football games is unconstitutional.
>
> The policy of the Santa Fe Independent School District
> in Galveston County, Texas, amounts to state-
> sponsorship of prayer, which violates the First
> Amendment's Establishment Clause, the justices
> decided.
>
> **************
>
> "Nothing in the Constitution as interpreted by this
> court prohibits any public school student from
> voluntarily praying at any time before, during, or
> after the school day. But the religious liberty
> protected by the Constitution is abridged when the
> state affirmatively sponsors the particular practice
> of prayer," he said.
>
> The Santa Fe school board adopted the prayer policy
> in 1995. It allows students selected by their colleagues
> to deliver invocations and benedictions at graduation
> ceremonies and a "brief invocation and/or message"
> during pregame ceremonies at home varsity football
> games.
>
> *************************************************************
> An anonymous group of Mormon and Catholic students
> and their mothers challenged the policy in court.
> *************************************************************
>
> Note here that it was not atheists who challenged this,
> but Catholics and Mormons who are also Christian, just
> not of the same sect that was in the majority in this
> district.
>
>
>
> --
> Dorothy
>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>
> The Outer Limits
 >> Stay informed about: Christian References a No-No at Public Schools 

"toto" <scarecrow RemoveThis @wicked.witch> wrote in message
news:b66muv84jg04kduvst161kio3h2jp9nfi5@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> A New York City school
> >
> >Any idea which one? Any way to check on this?
>
> I have to admit that this is a novel approach to the problem <g>

Why have a "top stories" story with no information in it?

What purpose does it have except to propagandize?

None.

That's Fox "news."

>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/12/161706.shtml
>
> According to Thomas More Law Center, New York City's
> school system recently filed legal briefs disputing the notion
> that a Christmas Nativity scene, depicting the birth of Jesus,
> is a historical event.
>
> More detail here:
>
> I think this case may still be pending as I could not find any
> information on a ruling in it.
>
> >
>
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200212/CU...021211b
> >
>
> Skoros' two elementary school children attend the Edith
> Bergtraum School and P.S. 184, both located in Queens,
> New York. At P.S. 184, attended by her youngest son, there
> are three Menorahs and a three-foot tall Christmas tree
> inside, near the building's entrance, according to the
> lawsuit.
>
> The U.S. Supreme Court, in past rulings, has labeled the
> Christmas tree a secular symbol and the Jewish Menorah
> a religious symbol, according to Richard Thompson,
> executive director and chief counsel for the Thomas More
> Law Center.
>
> So, if New York City public school officials allow Menorahs
> to be displayed in their buildings, they should allow a
> Christian equivalent, Thompson argues.
>
> ***************************
>
> Interestingly, there was a case against the city of Syracuse, NY
> ended that ended with the Nativity Scene allowed to stay.
>
>
http://csmail.law.pace.edu/lawlib/legal/us-legal/judiciary/second-circ.../test3/
>
> Finding that the crèche was not a religious endorsement in light
> of its overall setting and that the various decorations had a
> secular purpose, the district court found no Establishment
> Clause violation. Elewski v. City of Syracuse, 95-CV-1830
> (FJS), 1996 WL 31169 (N.D.N.Y. Jan. 19, 1996).
>
>
> --
> Dorothy
>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>
> The Outer Limits
 >> Stay informed about: Christian References a No-No at Public Schools 

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:20 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>"toto" <scarecrow RemoveThis @wicked.witch> wrote in message
>news:m95muvgcoj72m7b1u7q5c0mss7in57fu5b@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> had his state-sponsored college scholarship
>> >> stripped when officials discovered he'd be majoring in theology.
>> >> Critics say kids shouldn't be silenced when they try to express their
>> >> Christian faith or pursue an interest in religion. But proponents of
>such
>> >> measures argue they're important for ensuring the classroom doesn't
>become
>> >> the church pulpit.
>> >
>> >This story isn't listed as a "Editorial" or as "Opinion." It's under "Top
>> >Stories."
>>
>> Well, as a matter of fact, the scholarship was stripped, but the
>> ACLJ won in court so it was reinstated.
>
>Whose scholarship? Which school?
>
19-year-old Joshua Davey, a student at Northwest College in Kirkland,
Washington.

>The "story said nothing." It's a bullshit "top story."
>
>> I do think the freedom
>> to study whatever you wish to study in college is a good thing.
>> If you have the academic credentials to get the scholarship,
>> the state has no grounds to take it away because you want to
>> study religion, imo.
>>
>> http://www.aclj.org/news/pressreleases/021204_davey.asp
>>
>> The Promise Scholarship provides financial assistance to
>> students from low and middle income families who exhibit
>> high academic credentials and are enrolled in an accredited
>> public or private post-secondary school within the state of
>> Washington.
>>
>> The ACLJ filed suit in 2000 after the state said it would not
>> follow through with the funding because Davey violated a
>> state policy that prohibited students from receiving
>> scholarship funds if they majored in theology.
>>
>> A federal district court ruled against Davey and the
>> decision was appealed to the 9th Circuit. In its decision in
>> July, the three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit said that the
>> state's policy "lacks neutrality on its face" and concluded
>> that the state "impermissibly deprived Davey of his
>> scholarship."
>>
>> In an order received today and dated November 26, 2002,
>> the 9th Circuit said it rejected the state's request for a
>> re-hearing on the Davey case before the entire panel of the
>> 9th circuit. In denying the petition to rehear the case en banc,
>> the court said the matter failed to receive a majority of the
>> votes needed to proceed.
>>
>> Of course, the OP doesn't want anyone to know how the
>> case turned out because that would mean that the
>> discrimination he sees was struck down.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dorothy
>>
>> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
>> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>>
>> The Outer Limits
>

--
Dorothy

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that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:57:32 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"toto" <scarecrow.RemoveThis@wicked.witch> wrote in message
>news:b66muv84jg04kduvst161kio3h2jp9nfi5@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> A New York City school
>> >
>> >Any idea which one? Any way to check on this?
>>
>> I have to admit that this is a novel approach to the problem <g>
>
>Why have a "top stories" story with no information in it?
>

Skoros' two elementary school children attend the Edith
Bergtraum School and P.S. 184, both located in Queens,
New York. At P.S. 184, attended by her youngest son, there
are three Menorahs and a three-foot tall Christmas tree
inside, near the building's entrance, according to the
lawsuit.


>What purpose does it have except to propagandize?
>
>None.
>
>That's Fox "news."
>
>>
>> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/12/161706.shtml
>>
>> According to Thomas More Law Center, New York City's
>> school system recently filed legal briefs disputing the notion
>> that a Christmas Nativity scene, depicting the birth of Jesus,
>> is a historical event.
>>
>> More detail here:
>>
>> I think this case may still be pending as I could not find any
>> information on a ruling in it.
>>
>> >
>>
>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200212/CUL20021211b.html
>> >
>>
>> Skoros' two elementary school children attend the Edith
>> Bergtraum School and P.S. 184, both located in Queens,
>> New York. At P.S. 184, attended by her youngest son, there
>> are three Menorahs and a three-foot tall Christmas tree
>> inside, near the building's entrance, according to the
>> lawsuit.
>>
>> The U.S. Supreme Court, in past rulings, has labeled the
>> Christmas tree a secular symbol and the Jewish Menorah
>> a religious symbol, according to Richard Thompson,
>> executive director and chief counsel for the Thomas More
>> Law Center.
>>
>> So, if New York City public school officials allow Menorahs
>> to be displayed in their buildings, they should allow a
>> Christian equivalent, Thompson argues.
>>
>> ***************************
>>
>> Interestingly, there was a case against the city of Syracuse, NY
>> ended that ended with the Nativity Scene allowed to stay.
>>
>>
>http://csmail.law.pace.edu/lawlib/legal/us-legal/judiciary/second-circuit/test3/96-7227a.html
>>
>> Finding that the crèche was not a religious endorsement in light
>> of its overall setting and that the various decorations had a
>> secular purpose, the district court found no Establishment
>> Clause violation. Elewski v. City of Syracuse, 95-CV-1830
>> (FJS), 1996 WL 31169 (N.D.N.Y. Jan. 19, 1996).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dorothy
>>
>> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
>> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>>
>> The Outer Limits
>

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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 >> Stay informed about: Christian References a No-No at Public Schools 

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:55:46 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"toto" <scarecrow.TakeThisOut@wicked.witch> wrote in message
>news:ap5muvoeutufuqnosmksuch19k9gcard89@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Like where?
>> >
>> >> prayers have been stopped at school football games
>>
>> Comeon, folks. Google can be your friend. He is not totally off the
>> wall in this one.
>
>He who? The story's unsigned. It could be anyone. It could be a man or a
>woman.
>
>An unsigned story about people with no names and schools with no names.
>
>This is a Fox "news" "top story".
>

Read the articles I posted. They have more details.

The Santa Fe school board adopted the prayer policy
in 1995. It allows students selected by their colleagues
to deliver invocations and benedictions at graduation
ceremonies and a "brief invocation and/or message"
during pregame ceremonies at home varsity football
games.


>> Though again, this is old news and it isn't exactly
>> what he would like to believe.
>>
>> http://www.abpnews.com/abpnews/story.cfm?newsId=2096
>>
>> Supreme Court blocks prayers at football games
>> June 20, 2000 - Volume: 00-54 By Kenny Byrd
>>
>> WASHINGTON (ABP) -- Opening high school football
>> games with prayer violates the separation of church and
>> state, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in an eagerly
>> anticipated decision June 19.
>>
>> While not banning all prayers at public schools, the
>> ourt ruled 6-3 that a Texas school district's policy of
>> allowing a student elected by a majority of classmates
>> to deliver an invocation over the public-address system
>> before home varsity football games is unconstitutional.
>>
>> The policy of the Santa Fe Independent School District
>> in Galveston County, Texas, amounts to state-
>> sponsorship of prayer, which violates the First
>> Amendment's Establishment Clause, the justices
>> decided.
>>
>> **************
>>
>> "Nothing in the Constitution as interpreted by this
>> court prohibits any public school student from
>> voluntarily praying at any time before, during, or
>> after the school day. But the religious liberty
>> protected by the Constitution is abridged when the
>> state affirmatively sponsors the particular practice
>> of prayer," he said.
>>
>> The Santa Fe school board adopted the prayer policy
>> in 1995. It allows students selected by their colleagues
>> to deliver invocations and benedictions at graduation
>> ceremonies and a "brief invocation and/or message"
>> during pregame ceremonies at home varsity football
>> games.
>>
>> *************************************************************
>> An anonymous group of Mormon and Catholic students
>> and their mothers challenged the policy in court.
>> *************************************************************
>>
>> Note here that it was not atheists who challenged this,
>> but Catholics and Mormons who are also Christian, just
>> not of the same sect that was in the majority in this
>> district.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dorothy
>>
>> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
>> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>>
>> The Outer Limits
>

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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 >> Stay informed about: Christian References a No-No at Public Schools 

"toto" <scarecrow DeleteThis @wicked.witch> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:20 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"toto" <scarecrow DeleteThis @wicked.witch> wrote in message
> >news:m95muvgcoj72m7b1u7q5c0mss7in57fu5b@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:35:06 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> had his state-sponsored college scholarship
> >> >> stripped when officials discovered he'd be majoring in theology.
> >> >> Critics say kids shouldn't be silenced when they try to express
their
> >> >> Christian faith or pursue an interest in religion. But proponents of
> >such
> >> >> measures argue they're important for ensuring the classroom doesn't
> >become
> >> >> the church pulpit.
> >> >
> >> >This story isn't listed as a "Editorial" or as "Opinion." It's under
"Top
> >> >Stories."
> >>
> >> Well, as a matter of fact, the scholarship was stripped, but the
> >> ACLJ won in court so it was reinstated.
> >
> >Whose scholarship? Which school?
> >
> 19-year-old Joshua Davey, a student at Northwest College in Kirkland,
> Washington.

And why do I have to get this information from someone in a newsgroup?
Should a "top story" of the news channel have that information in it?

Isn't the purpose of a "top story" news story to provide information, not an
opinion with vague references to real news information?

Fox news is bullshit.

>
> >The "story said nothing." It's a bullshit "top story."
> >
> >> I do think the freedom
> >> to study whatever you wish to study in college is a good thing.
> >> If you have the academic credentials to get the scholarship,
> >> the state has no grounds to take it away because you want to
> >> study religion, imo.
> >>
> >> http://www.aclj.org/news/pressreleases/021204_davey.asp
> >>
> >> The Promise Scholarship provides financial assistance to
> >> students from low and middle income families who exhibit
> >> high academic credentials and are enrolled in an accredited
> >> public or private post-secondary school within the state of
> >> Washington.
> >>
> >> The ACLJ filed suit in 2000 after the state said it would not
> >> follow through with the funding because Davey violated a
> >> state policy that prohibited students from receiving
> >> scholarship funds if they majored in theology.
> >>
> >> A federal district court ruled against Davey and the
> >> decision was appealed to the 9th Circuit. In its decision in
> >> July, the three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit said that the
> >> state's policy "lacks neutrality on its face" and concluded
> >> that the state "impermissibly deprived Davey of his
> >> scholarship."
> >>
> >> In an order received today and dated November 26, 2002,
> >> the 9th Circuit said it rejected the state's request for a
> >> re-hearing on the Davey case before the entire panel of the
> >> 9th circuit. In denying the petition to rehear the case en banc,
> >> the court said the matter failed to receive a majority of the
> >> votes needed to proceed.
> >>
> >> Of course, the OP doesn't want anyone to know how the
> >> case turned out because that would mean that the
> >> discrimination he sees was struck down.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dorothy
> >>
> >> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> >> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
> >>
> >> The Outer Limits
> >
>
> --
> Dorothy
>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:49:57 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >> Well, as a matter of fact, the scholarship was stripped, but the
>> >> ACLJ won in court so it was reinstated.
>> >
>> >Whose scholarship? Which school?
>> >
>> 19-year-old Joshua Davey, a student at Northwest College in Kirkland,
>> Washington.
>
>And why do I have to get this information from someone in a newsgroup?
>Should a "top story" of the news channel have that information in it?
>
>Isn't the purpose of a "top story" news story to provide information, not an
>opinion with vague references to real news information?
>
>Fox news is bullshit.

The story is old. It was probably not a *top story* at any point, but
I had seen the original when it happened as the education groups are
often inundated with these stories. At any rate, the point is that
the incident did happen, though the outcome was that the scholarship
was restored to the young man by the court decision.

As for Foz News, it's not my primary news source. If it is yours, you
need to find others. Often the news services in other countries
cover these stories in more detail than American news networks do
and aside from that the print media do a better job than the networks.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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dpr <&^%@&^%.com> wrote:

> Elsewhere, prayers have been stopped at school football games

Actually -- NOT. People are free to pray at games. They are simply not
allowed to use tax payer provided PA equipment to make everybody else
listen to them being pious.

ARS
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"toto" <scarecrow.DeleteThis@wicked.witch> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:49:57 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Well, as a matter of fact, the scholarship was stripped, but the
> >> >> ACLJ won in court so it was reinstated.
> >> >
> >> >Whose scholarship? Which school?
> >> >
> >> 19-year-old Joshua Davey, a student at Northwest College in Kirkland,
> >> Washington.
> >
> >And why do I have to get this information from someone in a newsgroup?
> >Should a "top story" of the news channel have that information in it?
> >
> >Isn't the purpose of a "top story" news story to provide information, not
an
> >opinion with vague references to real news information?
> >
> >Fox news is bullshit.
>
> The story is old. It was probably not a *top story* at any point, but
> I had seen the original when it happened as the education groups are
> often inundated with these stories. At any rate, the point is that
> the incident did happen, though the outcome was that the scholarship
> was restored to the young man by the court decision.

Fox news is still bullshit. If that's what the "top story" was, they should
have said so, not regurgitating an old story with some opinion and call it a
"top story."

>
> As for Foz News, it's not my primary news source. If it is yours, you
> need to find others.

You're fucking joking, right? The only time I read it is when someone here
posts crap from there and I refute it.

> Often the news services in other countries
> cover these stories in more detail than American news networks do
> and aside from that the print media do a better job than the networks.
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