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Wall Street Journal Jul 26, 2006 Page B2D

U.S. Firms Search for Technical Talent

Author(s): Christopher Scinta

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U.S. companies are desperate to find technical talent, prompting many
to step up retention efforts, while making a dash to move higher-paid
research operations to China and India. It raises new debate about caps
on visas for foreign workers and the need to attract more U.S. students
to careers in math and science.

"I think there are too few people choosing technical careers," said Urs
Hoelzle, senior vice president at Google Inc. The company has added
operations in places such as Seattle and New York to be closer to
talent pools.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the U.S. needs 135,000 new computer
professionals a year, but the U.S.'s universities are producing only
49,000 computer-science graduates annually. The agency also predicts
the need for science and engineering graduates will grow 26% to 1.25
million by 2012. The number of graduates in those fields, however, has
remained relatively flat for two decades.

In 2004, Chinese schools awarded 351,000 bachelor degrees in
engineering, computer science and information technology, while the
U.S. awarded only 137,000 similar degrees, according to a Duke
University study. India was close behind with 112,000.

Tory Johnson, head of New York-based job fair and recruiting firm Women
for Hire, said being a professional -- particularly a woman -- with
highly technical skills means "employers are knocking down your door."
And that equates to more than just a substantial salary. These
candidates can shop around for the right fit as far as corporate
culture, location and flexible work schedules, she said.

The search for technical talent in the U.S. has become "fiercely
competitive," said Yahoo Inc. spokeswoman Heidi Burgett. The company
"re-recruits" existing employees to keep them happy, offering job
rotations and access to the most important, high-profile projects.

The intense competition for such a limited group of workers has fueled
an expansion to offshore locations well beyond the now- ubiquitous
customer call center in Bangalore. Many U.S. companies are moving more
advanced -- and higher-paid -- research and development work to China,
India and Eastern Europe, not only to be involved in their fast-growing
economies, but to tap a pool of engineers, software developers and
other technical professionals.

Texas Instruments Inc., Intel Corp. and International Business Machines
Corp. are just a few of the companies that have recently said they
would open, or add to, technical operations in India.

EMC Corp. last month said it would make large investments in both India
and China. "We will invest $500 million in India through 2010, and in
China $500 million between 2006 and 2010," said Greg Eden, an EMC
spokesman. Those investments are meant to be all-encompassing efforts
to build sales and infrastructure, as well as product development.

EMC currently has about 28,000 employees world-wide, including 700
software developers in Bangalore. The data-storage company expects to
increase that figure to 1,600 by 2008.

John McArthur, a senior analyst at research firm IDC Corp., said EMC
has been adding workers in India and China to gain access to highly
skilled but relatively cheap labor, particularly in software
development, as well as to gain a foothold in those countries as they
become bigger information-technology consumers.

Another answer to the dearth of talent in America: simply bring foreign
workers with the skills to the U.S.

Newmont Mining Corp. has found it difficult to recruit engineers and
geologists in the U.S., said David Kern, human resources manager at the
gold producer. It is tough to find experienced engineers, he said,
adding that Newmont recently staffed three upper-level engineering jobs
with candidates from Canada, Mexico and Australia.

The mining industry has been particularly hard hit by the lack of
technical talent and expects tough times ahead -- about half the 5,200
practicing mining engineers in the U.S. will retire in the next 12
years, said Leigh Freeman, general manager of Downing Teal, a firm
specialized in finding talent for natural resource industries.

During a downturn in the 1990s, many people left the mining industry,
and now that natural resources are a hot market again, Newmont is using
headhunters to try to track down some of those veterans, as well as
make sure it keeps the people it has. Mr. Kern said Newmont tries to
provide clear career paths for its technical professionals, so they can
see opportunities to advance within the company and won't be tempted to
leave.

Gary Flaharty, spokesman for oil-services company Baker Hughes Inc.,
said universities in the U.S. and Western Europe simply aren't
attracting and graduating enough students with the skills needed by the
energy industry.

"The industry is more and more turning to the Eastern Hemisphere to
meet the requirements" for qualified petroleum engineers and
geophysicists, Mr. Flaharty said.

Citing statistics compiled by the Society of Petroleum Engineers, Mr.
Flaharty noted that 1,732 undergraduate students were enrolled in
petroleum-engineering programs at U.S. universities in 2004, versus
11,014 in 1983.

But getting foreign-born professionals into the U.S. to fill those jobs
isn't always easy either. Short-term visas for foreign workers coming
to the U.S. to fill specialty occupations such as mathematics, physical
sciences and engineering -- known as H-1B visas -- are limited to
65,000 a year by the federal government, though that was temporarily
raised to 195,000 from 2001 to 2003. Another 20,000 visas are available
to foreign-born workers who received a master's or doctorate degree
from a U.S. university.

Arthur Rothkopf, senior vice president at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce,
said the H-1B quota for fiscal 2007 already has been met. The chamber
is lobbying, with various companies, to have that cap increased to
200,000 or 300,000 a year. Mr. Rothkopf said there is a "critical,
urgent need" for more foreign-born professionals in the U.S.

For the long term, Mr. Rothkopf said the U.S. needs to build up its
science and math-education system. A report published in late 2005 by
the National Academies of Science said addressing the lack of math and
science graduates in the U.S. would be key to maintaining the country's
economic stability.

"We have to remain competitive," said Mark Heesen, president of the
National Venture Capital Association, which represents the majority of
venture-capital firms in the U.S. "Otherwise, Asia will take over what
we're doing."

Science and engineering tend to be difficult disciplines to master, and
many students are enticed by positions in law and finance that seem
more lucrative, he said.

As competition for the shrinking pool of American engineering graduates
becomes more intense, defense contractors like Northrop Grumman Corp.
have established "pipeline" programs with U.S. universities, high
schools and even junior high and grade schools to encourage more
American students to study engineering. Northrop has put more resources
in apprenticeship and internship programs, said John Krakowski,
Northrop's corporate director of employment and employee relations. The
company is also encouraging veteran engineers to delay retirement to
mentor young employees.

Newmont has made a $2.5 million commitment to the University of Nevada
at Reno to fund teaching and recruitment for mining professions, and
copper giant Phelps Dodge Corp. has made a $2.5 million endowment to
the University of Arizona for training mining engineers and offers
scholarships at several other schools.

Thus far, it appears the efforts haven't been very effective. During
the fall of 2003, there were 91,000 engineering students in programs
for master's degrees, by the fall of 2005 that number had dropped to
83,000, said Michael Gibbons, director of data research for the
American Society for Engineering Education.
---

Bob Sechler, Frank Byrt, Megha Rajagopalan, Mark Boslet, Jonathan
Vuocolo and Jason Ma contributed to this report.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:50 pm
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Lee wrote:
> Dom said:
>
> >The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the U.S. needs 135,000 new computer
> >professionals a year, but the U.S.'s universities are producing only
> >49,000 computer-science graduates annually.
>
> The last time I paid attention to such statistics was about 10
> years ago, when BLS was worried because schools were only
> producing about 1/3 the number of computer science graduates
> as there were going to be openings. A quick look around the
> real world at that time showed that only 1/4 of computer science
> professional actually were computer science graduates.
>
> The ideal computer science professional is one who can read a
> manual, learn on their own, and think rationally. A computer
> science degree is only going to teach you the current state of
> technology.

Good point. I would also be interested in knowing how may computer
professionals have lost their jobs because of downsizing and
outsourcing.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:12 pm
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"Dom" <DRosa DeleteThis @teikyopost.edu> wrote:
>Lee wrote:
>> Dom said:
>>
>> >The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the U.S. needs 135,000 new computer
>> >professionals a year, but the U.S.'s universities are producing only
>> >49,000 computer-science graduates annually.
>>
>> The last time I paid attention to such statistics was about 10
>> years ago, when BLS was worried because schools were only
>> producing about 1/3 the number of computer science graduates
>> as there were going to be openings. A quick look around the
>> real world at that time showed that only 1/4 of computer science
>> professional actually were computer science graduates.
>>
>> The ideal computer science professional is one who can read a
>> manual, learn on their own, and think rationally. A computer
>> science degree is only going to teach you the current state of
>> technology.
>
>Good point. I would also be interested in knowing how may computer
>professionals have lost their jobs because of downsizing and
>outsourcing.

Not nearly as many who have left the field because however
remunerative it might be, the working hours and stress level were
excessive and they either burned out or decided that they wanted to
have a family.

A then we have people like Martin who left a high-paying engineer job
to be a lower paid, but high-stress teacher. Figuring out why he left
engineering, and why I have continued to stay home even though my kids
don't really need me any more, rather than return to the profession
will tell you something about why we have a "shortage".

lojbab
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Random comments inline.

Martin

Dom wrote:
>
> Wall Street Journal Jul 26, 2006 Page B2D
>
> U.S. Firms Search for Technical Talent
>
> Author(s): Christopher Scinta
>
> Document URL:
> http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?did=1083413171&sid=1&Fmt=3&cl
> ientId=17553&RQT=309&VName=PQD
>
> U.S. companies are desperate to find technical talent, prompting many
> to step up retention efforts, while making a dash to move higher-paid
> research operations to China and India.

I'm not surprised that there is a need to hunt for such people -
I don't know too many students nowadays that have the desire to
become that proficient. I use to, but for the past 5-6 years
there seems to be a big drop. Many of the students I get lately
don't have a clue as to what they want to do when they 'grow
up'.

> It raises new debate about caps
> on visas for foreign workers and the need to attract more U.S. students
> to careers in math and science.

A friend of mine works in a law office that does nothing but
handle foreign worker visa stuff for the high tech companies
around here.

> "I think there are too few people choosing technical careers," said Urs
> Hoelzle, senior vice president at Google Inc. The company has added
> operations in places such as Seattle and New York to be closer to
> talent pools.

So fewer people are choosing technical careers. Isn't it the
American dream that you can be anything you want to be? That
seems to be the idea here (hs where I teach). Use to be we had
courses such as drafting & computer-aided drafting, and computer
programming, and electronics, and even computer repair. Now
those have been dropped from the course catalog and most of the
kids instead sign up for web mastery, video tech, and digital
graphics & animation.

> The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the U.S. needs 135,000 new computer
> professionals a year, but the U.S.'s universities are producing only
> 49,000 computer-science graduates annually. The agency also predicts
> the need for science and engineering graduates will grow 26% to 1.25
> million by 2012. The number of graduates in those fields, however, has
> remained relatively flat for two decades.

I think I remember seeing that there is also pretty much no one
going into the field of petrochemical engineering too. We need
to keep in mind that "technical talent' covers more than just
people who work in the computer industry.

> In 2004, Chinese schools awarded 351,000 bachelor degrees in
> engineering, computer science and information technology, while the
> U.S. awarded only 137,000 similar degrees, according to a Duke
> University study. India was close behind with 112,000.

A bit OT, but I just had an experience with dealing with someone
at one of the tech support call centers in India - I was not
impressed. Spent over an hour with a level one tech, got booted
to a level two and then eventually ended up speaking to the
supervisor - end result after talking with them for 2.5 hours
they had no clue as to how to fix the problem I had. Afterwards,
I spent 15 minutes on the internet and found out how to fix it
myself.

> Tory Johnson, head of New York-based job fair and recruiting firm Women
> for Hire, said being a professional -- particularly a woman -- with
> highly technical skills means "employers are knocking down your door."
> And that equates to more than just a substantial salary. These
> candidates can shop around for the right fit as far as corporate
> culture, location and flexible work schedules, she said.

Just cuz there are firms looking for such people and more than
willing to pay them good money - that doesn't address the fact
that most people don't want to spend the time and make the
effort to get those highly technical skills. Around here, the hs
kids drag their feet if anything even remotely smacks of math.
What is going to need to change is the kids attitude and
perceptions of such areas of employment.

> The search for technical talent in the U.S. has become "fiercely
> competitive," said Yahoo Inc. spokeswoman Heidi Burgett. The company
> "re-recruits" existing employees to keep them happy, offering job
> rotations and access to the most important, high-profile projects.

A few years ago, we had a couple high-tech companies for the
nearby big city come in to our hs and offer to fund us putting
together a electronics course. Basically, they were hoping to
'grow their own techs' so to speak. They were ready to buy the
equipment, the textbooks, pretty much anything we needed. We
ended up not doing this as we couldn't get any kids interested
in signing up for the classes. I heard that the course got put
in at another district and only lasted a year or two as they had
the same problem - the kids didn't want to take the class.

> The intense competition for such a limited group of workers has fueled
> an expansion to offshore locations well beyond the now- ubiquitous
> customer call center in Bangalore. Many U.S. companies are moving more
> advanced -- and higher-paid -- research and development work to China,
> India and Eastern Europe, not only to be involved in their fast-growing
> economies, but to tap a pool of engineers, software developers and
> other technical professionals.

My guess is that pool will eventually get filled and start to
stagnate at some point.

> Texas Instruments Inc., Intel Corp. and International Business Machines
> Corp. are just a few of the companies that have recently said they
> would open, or add to, technical operations in India.
>
> EMC Corp. last month said it would make large investments in both India
> and China. "We will invest $500 million in India through 2010, and in
> China $500 million between 2006 and 2010," said Greg Eden, an EMC
> spokesman. Those investments are meant to be all-encompassing efforts
> to build sales and infrastructure, as well as product development.
>
> EMC currently has about 28,000 employees world-wide, including 700
> software developers in Bangalore. The data-storage company expects to
> increase that figure to 1,600 by 2008.
>
> John McArthur, a senior analyst at research firm IDC Corp., said EMC
> has been adding workers in India and China to gain access to highly
> skilled but relatively cheap labor, particularly in software
> development, as well as to gain a foothold in those countries as they
> become bigger information-technology consumers.
>
> Another answer to the dearth of talent in America: simply bring foreign
> workers with the skills to the U.S.

At least they would be paying taxes here, as well as the
companies that were employing them.

> Newmont Mining Corp. has found it difficult to recruit engineers and
> geologists in the U.S., said David Kern, human resources manager at the
> gold producer. It is tough to find experienced engineers, he said,
> adding that Newmont recently staffed three upper-level engineering jobs
> with candidates from Canada, Mexico and Australia.
>
> The mining industry has been particularly hard hit by the lack of
> technical talent and expects tough times ahead -- about half the 5,200
> practicing mining engineers in the U.S. will retire in the next 12
> years, said Leigh Freeman, general manager of Downing Teal, a firm
> specialized in finding talent for natural resource industries.
>
> During a downturn in the 1990s, many people left the mining industry,
> and now that natural resources are a hot market again, Newmont is using
> headhunters to try to track down some of those veterans, as well as
> make sure it keeps the people it has. Mr. Kern said Newmont tries to
> provide clear career paths for its technical professionals, so they can
> see opportunities to advance within the company and won't be tempted to
> leave.
>
> Gary Flaharty, spokesman for oil-services company Baker Hughes Inc.,
> said universities in the U.S. and Western Europe simply aren't
> attracting and graduating enough students with the skills needed by the
> energy industry.
>
> "The industry is more and more turning to the Eastern Hemisphere to
> meet the requirements" for qualified petroleum engineers and
> geophysicists, Mr. Flaharty said.
>
> Citing statistics compiled by the Society of Petroleum Engineers, Mr.
> Flaharty noted that 1,732 undergraduate students were enrolled in
> petroleum-engineering programs at U.S. universities in 2004, versus
> 11,014 in 1983.
>
> But getting foreign-born professionals into the U.S. to fill those jobs
> isn't always easy either. Short-term visas for foreign workers coming
> to the U.S. to fill specialty occupations such as mathematics, physical
> sciences and engineering -- known as H-1B visas -- are limited to
> 65,000 a year by the federal government, though that was temporarily
> raised to 195,000 from 2001 to 2003. Another 20,000 visas are available
> to foreign-born workers who received a master's or doctorate degree
> from a U.S. university.
>
> Arthur Rothkopf, senior vice president at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce,
> said the H-1B quota for fiscal 2007 already has been met. The chamber
> is lobbying, with various companies, to have that cap increased to
> 200,000 or 300,000 a year. Mr. Rothkopf said there is a "critical,
> urgent need" for more foreign-born professionals in the U.S.
>
> For the long term, Mr. Rothkopf said the U.S. needs to build up its
> science and math-education system. A report published in late 2005 by
> the National Academies of Science said addressing the lack of math and
> science graduates in the U.S. would be key to maintaining the country's
> economic stability.
>
> "We have to remain competitive," said Mark Heesen, president of the
> National Venture Capital Association, which represents the majority of
> venture-capital firms in the U.S. "Otherwise, Asia will take over what
> we're doing."
>
> Science and engineering tend to be difficult disciplines to master, and
> many students are enticed by positions in law and finance that seem
> more lucrative, he said.

Seems to be the case - but how do you get young people to make
the choice for the more difficult and less lucrative careers?

> As competition for the shrinking pool of American engineering graduates
> becomes more intense, defense contractors like Northrop Grumman Corp.
> have established "pipeline" programs with U.S. universities, high
> schools and even junior high and grade schools to encourage more
> American students to study engineering. Northrop has put more resources
> in apprenticeship and internship programs, said John Krakowski,
> Northrop's corporate director of employment and employee relations. The
> company is also encouraging veteran engineers to delay retirement to
> mentor young employees.

I can see that getting them a few people - but not the numbers
that they need.

> Newmont has made a $2.5 million commitment to the University of Nevada
> at Reno to fund teaching and recruitment for mining professions, and
> copper giant Phelps Dodge Corp. has made a $2.5 million endowment to
> the University of Arizona for training mining engineers and offers
> scholarships at several other schools.
>
> Thus far, it appears the efforts haven't been very effective. During
> the fall of 2003, there were 91,000 engineering students in programs
> for master's degrees, by the fall of 2005 that number had dropped to
> 83,000, said Michael Gibbons, director of data research for the
> American Society for Engineering Education.
> ---
>
> Bob Sechler, Frank Byrt, Megha Rajagopalan, Mark Boslet, Jonathan
> Vuocolo and Jason Ma contributed to this report.
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