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buckeye-ELO

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:15 am
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For Immediate Release
January 5, 2006

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Joe Conn, Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
http://www.au.org/site/R?i=-zwoqWE9oM81vJSZQJy1Og..


AMERICANS UNITED WELCOMES FLORIDA SUPREME COURT DECISION STRIKING DOWN
SCHOOL VOUCHER PLAN

Religious Liberty Watchdog Group Calls Ruling A Victory For Public
Education And Church-State Separation

Americans United for Separation of Church and State today hailed a Florida
Supreme Court decision striking down the state's school voucher program.

"This is an important victory for public education and church-state
separation," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans
United. "Now the state legislature can devote its attention to improving
public education rather than subsidizing religious and other private
schools. The children of Florida deserve the very best public schools the
state can provide. Taxpayer dollars should be spent in public schools, not
private religious academies."

The Florida high court, voting 5-2, struck down the state's "Opportunity
Scholarship Program," holding that it violates a section of the Florida
Constitution requiring a uniform system of free public schools.

Americans United co-sponsored the Bush v. Holmes lawsuit along with its
allies in the public education and civil liberties communities.

Opponents of the voucher program asserted that the scheme ran afoul of the
"uniform public schools" provision of Florida Constitution, as well as its
church-state separation provisions. Although lower state courts cited the
church-state provisions, the Florida Supreme Court did not rule on that
subject, saying it was not unnecessary to address that issue since the plan
was unconstitutional under the "uniform" provision.

Florida legislators passed the voucher law in 1999 at the behest of Gov.
Jeb Bush. The program provides vouchers for private school tuition for
students enrolled in public schools deemed "failing." More than half of the
participating private schools in the voucher plan are religious.

In its decision, the Florida high court noted that parents retain the right
to educate their children as they see fit.

"Our decision does not deny parents recourse to either public or private
school alternatives to a failing school," declared the court majority.
"Only when the private school option depends upon public funding is choice
limited."

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington,
D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the
importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:22 pm
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Jeb will try to amend the state constitution.

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<buckeye-ELO.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> For Immediate Release
> January 5, 2006
>
> Americans United for Separation of Church and State
> Contact: Joe Conn, Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
> http://www.au.org/site/R?i=-zwoqWE9oM81vJSZQJy1Og..
>
>
> AMERICANS UNITED WELCOMES FLORIDA SUPREME COURT DECISION STRIKING DOWN
> SCHOOL VOUCHER PLAN
>
> Religious Liberty Watchdog Group Calls Ruling A Victory For Public
> Education And Church-State Separation
>
> Americans United for Separation of Church and State today hailed a Florida
> Supreme Court decision striking down the state's school voucher program.
>
> "This is an important victory for public education and church-state
> separation," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans
> United. "Now the state legislature can devote its attention to improving
> public education rather than subsidizing religious and other private
> schools. The children of Florida deserve the very best public schools the
> state can provide. Taxpayer dollars should be spent in public schools, not
> private religious academies."
>
> The Florida high court, voting 5-2, struck down the state's "Opportunity
> Scholarship Program," holding that it violates a section of the Florida
> Constitution requiring a uniform system of free public schools.
>
> Americans United co-sponsored the Bush v. Holmes lawsuit along with its
> allies in the public education and civil liberties communities.
>
> Opponents of the voucher program asserted that the scheme ran afoul of the
> "uniform public schools" provision of Florida Constitution, as well as its
> church-state separation provisions. Although lower state courts cited the
> church-state provisions, the Florida Supreme Court did not rule on that
> subject, saying it was not unnecessary to address that issue since the
> plan
> was unconstitutional under the "uniform" provision.
>
> Florida legislators passed the voucher law in 1999 at the behest of Gov.
> Jeb Bush. The program provides vouchers for private school tuition for
> students enrolled in public schools deemed "failing." More than half of
> the
> participating private schools in the voucher plan are religious.
>
> In its decision, the Florida high court noted that parents retain the
> right
> to educate their children as they see fit.
>
> "Our decision does not deny parents recourse to either public or private
> school alternatives to a failing school," declared the court majority.
> "Only when the private school option depends upon public funding is choice
> limited."
>
> Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
> Washington,
> D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the
> importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.
>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:11 am
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It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.


In alt.politics.usa.republican buckeye-ELO DeleteThis @nospam.net wrote:

: For Immediate Release
: January 5, 2006

: Americans United for Separation of Church and State
: Contact: Joe Conn, Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
: http://www.au.org/site/R?i=-zwoqWE9oM81vJSZQJy1Og..


: AMERICANS UNITED WELCOMES FLORIDA SUPREME COURT DECISION STRIKING DOWN
: SCHOOL VOUCHER PLAN
:
: Religious Liberty Watchdog Group Calls Ruling A Victory For Public
: Education And Church-State Separation

: Americans United for Separation of Church and State today hailed a Florida
: Supreme Court decision striking down the state's school voucher program.

: "This is an important victory for public education and church-state
: separation," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans
: United. "Now the state legislature can devote its attention to improving
: public education rather than subsidizing religious and other private
: schools. The children of Florida deserve the very best public schools the
: state can provide. Taxpayer dollars should be spent in public schools, not
: private religious academies."

: The Florida high court, voting 5-2, struck down the state's "Opportunity
: Scholarship Program," holding that it violates a section of the Florida
: Constitution requiring a uniform system of free public schools.

: Americans United co-sponsored the Bush v. Holmes lawsuit along with its
: allies in the public education and civil liberties communities.

: Opponents of the voucher program asserted that the scheme ran afoul of the
: "uniform public schools" provision of Florida Constitution, as well as its
: church-state separation provisions. Although lower state courts cited the
: church-state provisions, the Florida Supreme Court did not rule on that
: subject, saying it was not unnecessary to address that issue since the plan
: was unconstitutional under the "uniform" provision.

: Florida legislators passed the voucher law in 1999 at the behest of Gov.
: Jeb Bush. The program provides vouchers for private school tuition for
: students enrolled in public schools deemed "failing." More than half of the
: participating private schools in the voucher plan are religious.

: In its decision, the Florida high court noted that parents retain the right
: to educate their children as they see fit.

: "Our decision does not deny parents recourse to either public or private
: school alternatives to a failing school," declared the court majority.
: "Only when the private school option depends upon public funding is choice
: limited."

: Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington,
: D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the
: importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:37 pm
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:11:42 -0600, Frank Pittel
<fwp RemoveThis @warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in alt.atheism

>It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
>florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.

Thank you for so politely wiping your arse with the Constitution.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:46 pm
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"Frank Pittel" <fwp.RemoveThis@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
> It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
> florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
>

That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they always
demand we follow the Constitution!
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:23 pm
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in article gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw.TakeThisOut@giganews.com, Frank Pittel at
fwp.TakeThisOut@warlock.deepthought.com wrote on 1/7/06 12:11 AM:

> It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
> florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
>


You resent my not wanting to spend MY money to send YOUR kid to a
fancy school?


Paul
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:30 am
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:46:00 -0600, ZenIsWhen wrote:

> "Frank Pittel" <fwp DeleteThis @warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
> news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
>> It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
>> florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
>>
>
> That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they always
> demand we follow the Constitution!
>

Well, ya gotta remember that during the Terri Schiavo
spectacle/tragedy, the commie ratfinks were trying to find an
activist judge that would rule to break the law about the husband
being the "next of kin".

And, if you can't believe a Texas Republican, who can ya believe?

##############################

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, appeared to condemn
judges who at both the state and federal level declined to order
that Schiavo be kept alive artificially.

"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the
people who need protection most, and that will change," the Texas
Republican said. "The time will come for the men responsible for
this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve,
we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

<http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-31-schiavo_x.htm>

##############################

Of course with late-breaking news, Former Majority Leader Tom
Delay, R-Texas, words, ""This loss happened because our legal
system did not protect the people who need protection most, . . .",
may well have been an epitaph for anyone who has ever been the
victim of this Texas Republican fiend and embodiment of all that is
"best" with dishonest Texas Republicans.

A decision has not been reached on the matter of "style-points" and
whether they will be withdrawn for those who saw the corruption,
stupidity and brain-death in our Coward-in-Chief and never
supported the imbecile and are now justified stating, "I told you
so."


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:17 am
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In alt.politics.usa.republican Paul Duca <p.duca.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
: in article gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw.RemoveThis@giganews.com, Frank Pittel at
: fwp.RemoveThis@warlock.deepthought.com wrote on 1/7/06 12:11 AM:

: > It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
: > florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
: >


: You resent my not wanting to spend MY money to send YOUR kid to a
: fancy school?

Which costs half as much as the school you want to force my kid to go to and
would provide my kid with a usable education. Why do you hate the idea of children
getting a good education?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:18 am
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In alt.politics.usa.republican ZenIsWhen <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote:
: "Frank Pittel" <fwp.TakeThisOut@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
: > It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
: > florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
: >

: That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they always
: demand we follow the Constitution!

What provision of the constitution requires that children be forced to go to
inferior schools??

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:58 am
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yourIP Hasbeenlogged wrote:
>
> Jeb will try to amend the state constitution.

And that will accomplish - what?

> http://perceptionmanagers.blogspot.com/
>
> <buckeye-ELO.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:darsr1daeadc536r8db7n12ntoeop95670@4ax.com...
> >
> > For Immediate Release
> > January 5, 2006
> >
> > Americans United for Separation of Church and State
> > Contact: Joe Conn, Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
> > http://www.au.org/site/R?i=-zwoqWE9oM81vJSZQJy1Og..
> >
> >
> > AMERICANS UNITED WELCOMES FLORIDA SUPREME COURT DECISION STRIKING DOWN
> > SCHOOL VOUCHER PLAN
> >
> > Religious Liberty Watchdog Group Calls Ruling A Victory For Public
> > Education And Church-State Separation
> >
> > Americans United for Separation of Church and State today hailed a Florida
> > Supreme Court decision striking down the state's school voucher program.
> >
> > "This is an important victory for public education and church-state
> > separation," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans
> > United. "Now the state legislature can devote its attention to improving
> > public education rather than subsidizing religious and other private
> > schools. The children of Florida deserve the very best public schools the
> > state can provide. Taxpayer dollars should be spent in public schools, not
> > private religious academies."
> >
> > The Florida high court, voting 5-2, struck down the state's "Opportunity
> > Scholarship Program," holding that it violates a section of the Florida
> > Constitution requiring a uniform system of free public schools.
> >
> > Americans United co-sponsored the Bush v. Holmes lawsuit along with its
> > allies in the public education and civil liberties communities.
> >
> > Opponents of the voucher program asserted that the scheme ran afoul of the
> > "uniform public schools" provision of Florida Constitution, as well as its
> > church-state separation provisions. Although lower state courts cited the
> > church-state provisions, the Florida Supreme Court did not rule on that
> > subject, saying it was not unnecessary to address that issue since the
> > plan
> > was unconstitutional under the "uniform" provision.
> >
> > Florida legislators passed the voucher law in 1999 at the behest of Gov.
> > Jeb Bush. The program provides vouchers for private school tuition for
> > students enrolled in public schools deemed "failing." More than half of
> > the
> > participating private schools in the voucher plan are religious.
> >
> > In its decision, the Florida high court noted that parents retain the
> > right
> > to educate their children as they see fit.
> >
> > "Our decision does not deny parents recourse to either public or private
> > school alternatives to a failing school," declared the court majority.
> > "Only when the private school option depends upon public funding is choice
> > limited."
> >
> > Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in
> > Washington,
> > D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the
> > importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.
> >
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:02 am
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Frank Pittel wrote:
> In alt.politics.usa.republican ZenIsWhen <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote:
> : "Frank Pittel" <fwp.RemoveThis@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
> : news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
> : > It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
> : > florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
> : >
>
> : That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they always
> : demand we follow the Constitution!
>
> What provision of the constitution requires that children be forced to go to
> inferior schools??
>

Worse yet, what provision of the Constitution requries the public
financing of govt education?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:08 am
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Geo wrote:
> Frank Pittel wrote:
> > In alt.politics.usa.republican ZenIsWhen <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote:
> > : "Frank Pittel" <fwp.RemoveThis@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
> > : news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
> > : > It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
> > : > florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
> > : >
> >
> > : That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they always
> > : demand we follow the Constitution!
> >
> > What provision of the constitution requires that children be forced to go to
> > inferior schools??
> >
>
> Worse yet, what provision of the Constitution requries the public
> financing of govt education?
>

Have you read the Florida Constitution? Yes it does require public
schools, and if you require them you must pay for them. It also says no
state money can be given directly or INDIRECTLY to any religious body.
Therefore no vouchers in Florida to religious schools.

Florida Boy
Tulle

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:21 am
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tulle wrote:
> Geo wrote:
> > Frank Pittel wrote:
> > > In alt.politics.usa.republican ZenIsWhen <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote:
> > > : "Frank Pittel" <fwp.DeleteThis@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
> > > : news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
> > > : > It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
> > > : > florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
> > > : >
> > >
> > > : That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they always
> > > : demand we follow the Constitution!
> > >
> > > What provision of the constitution requires that children be forced to go to
> > > inferior schools??
> > >
> >
> > Worse yet, what provision of the Constitution requries the public
> > financing of govt education?
> >
>
> Have you read the Florida Constitution? Yes it does require public
> schools, and if you require them you must pay for them. It also says no
> state money can be given directly or INDIRECTLY to any religious body.
> Therefore no vouchers in Florida to religious schools.
>

Education is federally mandated.

> Florida Boy
> Tulle
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:20 pm
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Geo wrote:
> Frank Pittel wrote:
>> In alt.politics.usa.republican ZenIsWhen <here'slooking@youkid.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "Frank Pittel" <fwp DeleteThis @warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
>>>> It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
>>>> florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
>>>>
>>
>>> That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they
>>> always demand we follow the Constitution!
>>
>> What provision of the constitution requires that children be forced
>> to go to inferior schools??
>>
>
> Worse yet, what provision of the Constitution requries the public
> financing of govt education?
>



The Florida constituion requires public education for all.
The fat Bush and the Republicans seek every possible
way to thwart the will of the Florida people.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:20 pm
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In alt.politics.usa.republican Sid9 <sid9.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
: Geo wrote:
: > Frank Pittel wrote:
: >> In alt.politics.usa.republican ZenIsWhen <here'slooking@youkid.com>
: >> wrote:
: >>> "Frank Pittel" <fwp.DeleteThis@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
: >>> news:gu2dnVXxMtsT0CLeRVn-pw@giganews.com...
: >>>> It's not much of a surprise that the leftwing supreme court of
: >>>> florida would take a left wing stand on vouchers.
: >>>>
: >>
: >>> That's the problem with those left wing sons o' bitches ...... they
: >>> always demand we follow the Constitution!
: >>
: >> What provision of the constitution requires that children be forced
: >> to go to inferior schools??
: >>
: >
: > Worse yet, what provision of the Constitution requries the public
: > financing of govt education?
: >



: The Florida constituion requires public education for all.
: The fat Bush and the Republicans seek every possible
: way to thwart the will of the Florida people.

What does it say about what schools the children go to or the
quality of the education provided? We know that the looney tune
brain dead loser lib dems have assured that the government run
schools will provide a poor education for the maximum possible
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