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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:00 am
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Indian Education stands highjacked by middle and upper middle class
mentality which on one hand wants governments to do everything to
educate their offsprings and on the other hand are letting their
children get soiled by corrupt practices of school education that
breaks their spirits starting at the age of nursery school entrance.

Politicians are not going to curb corruption in Indian society.

Total corruption in education is almost twice that of corruption in
Law and Order agencies of India that is in judiciary and police
departments.

Any one desirous to look up for details of coruption in government
aided and run schools can start from http://www.infochangeindia.org/features287.jsp

Scrapping over hundred year old British made law(which stands scrapped
in Britain) can set Indian education on the path of honesty and
excellence that can compare well with western countries.

Law requires every student to be endorsed by the head of a government
government recognised school for the student to sit at any higher
education entrance examination. Scrap the law and in no time Indians
without any public money spending will rid education off corruption.

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Manmohan wants to take education to a higher level

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JUNE 02, 2007 01:13:18 AM]

NEW DELHI: The Prime Minister's Office has announced a massive
expansion of the university and college network. A central university
will be set up in every state while a degree college will come up in
each district.

At present, there are 20 Central universities in 12 states in the
country. This would mean that 16 new central universities and and a
degree college in each of 604 districts of the country. The Prime
Minister's Office did not announce a time frame or a cost estimate,
leaving it to the ministry of human resource development to work out
the details.

It is expected that these universities and colleges will be set up
over the next five years. The entire exercise of establishing these
institutions is likely to cost nearly Rs 15,000 crore. Back of the
envelope calculations show that initial costs of establishing a
central university would be at Rs 400 crore-a full-fledged central
university will cost Rs 1,000 crore over two five year plan periods-
and a degree college would cost Rs 25 crore.

The ministry of human resource development is not exactly pleased with
the Prime Minister's Office, with the latter stealing the thunder on
the proposed expansion of the university and college system in the
country.

The proposal has been drawn from the Eleventh Plan Working Group
report on Higher Education, which calls for improving access, equity,
and relevance of the university and college system. The UGC has asked
for Rs 54,000 crore for expanding the higher education system in the
Eleventh Five Year Plan.

The decision to go in for a massive expansion of the higher education
system was taken at a meeting chaired by the Prime Minister to review
the state of higher education in India and address the challenge of
increasing enrolment while improving access to and quality of higher
education in India. The meeting was attended by the finance minister P
Chidambaram, Deputy Chairman Planning Commission Montek Singh
Ahluwalia, minister for human resources development Arjun Singh and
Economic Adviser to the Prime Minister C Rangarajan and Ugc chairman
Professor Sukhdeo Thorat

The Prime Minister directed the University Grants Commission and the
Planning Commission to jointly prepare a strategy for this. Prime
Minister Manmohan Singh said that each Central University should
become a symbol of excellence, a model of efficiency and an example in
terms of academic standards and university governance for other state
universities to emulate. he also said that 350 districts where
enrolment is below national average will be brought up to national
average. The current national average enrollment is nearly 10%.

This move by the government would help address the issue of access to
higher education. This would especially impact states like Bihar, J&K,
Punjab, Rajasthan, Tamil nadu, Tripura, UP, West Bengal, Sikkim and
Delhi where there less than five colleges per one lakh population. It
would also address the north-south imbalance in the number of
colleges.

Southern states such as Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka have
2441, 2096 and 1865 colleges, respectively. These three states account
for 36% of the colleges. States such as Assam, Bihar, Uttaranchal,
West Bengal, Jharkhand lag behind other in the number of colleges. The
Working group has proposed setting up a central university in each
state to address inter-state imbalances in the location of central
universities.

The Prime Minister also reiterated his commitment to offer more
scholarships to increase the gross enrollment rate at the college
level.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2093082.cms

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:06 am
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On 2 Jun, 09:33, hab... DeleteThis @anony.com (habshi) wrote:
> The best way is to PAY the kids small sums for getting good
> marks , not just to attend school and be bored to tears. Nearly all
> will finish their schooling in five years and India will have the best
> educated work force in the world.
> It doesnt matter if they get the knowledge from their peers or
> internet or books at home.

For that to happen over 100 years old British law, now defunct in
Britain, has to be scrapped.

Indians who are on usenet, mostly living in west, can push for
scrapping the law.

Few parents can move any Indian court for scrapping the law.

Any judge can on his own proceed to scrap the law.

Politicians will be the last to wake up.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:33 am
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On 2 Jun, 10:18, hab... DeleteThis @anony.com (habshi) wrote:
> What law are u talking about? I am talking about spending
> money as incentives , not just on buildings .

"Law requires every student to be endorsed by the head of a
government
government recognised school for the student to sit at any higher
education entrance examination. "

The one I have copy pasted from my post above.

Money incentives by government are impossible to reach poor in India.

Only direction that will work is to wean off those who can afford to
pay for their children's education from wasting public money.

Government will have to spend not a single paisa on scrapping the law.
Indians are suckers for free lunch but if avenue is open to progress
on their own money they are intelligent enough to make their own way.

If the law is scrapped in ten years time Indian School Education will
become least corrupt.

I have put links here how bad is corruption situation with school
education in India.

If you want I can put them again.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:47 am
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On 2 Jun, 12:20, hab....TakeThisOut@anony.com (habshi) wrote:
> So what ? You can still give them the money incentive even if
> they have to be endorsed by a school. In fact the schools will go all
> out to get their students to achieve high marks and get the money .
> And those who cheat can be put in long term jail.

Let us take the last thing first.

Putting in Jail those who cheat.

Students who cheat to get high marks or the schools that give high
marks to their students and cheat, the schools that take government
money and not pass them onto "deserving" students, who would be put in
jails?

Through Government run schools alone (excluding govt aided schools,
both kinds of colleges, universities and other institutes of higher
studies) bribes totaling Rs 4,137 crore (= One Billion US Dolars)
change hands. This amounts to bit less than judges and Policemen
generate in bribe money.

Read
http://www.livemint.com/2007/05/02165316/Corruption-in-education-not-a.html
http://www.livemint.com/2007/05/02165316/5DC18025-9127-4A90-AEE9-D425E...C7CBArt
&
http://www.livemint.com/2007/05/02160432/8F771B83-547A-4758-BA01-0C2C5...0065Art

Do you have any data on 'put in jail for taking or giving bribe in
India.

I would say hang them, but does my saying so solve the problem?

Nothing changes because I want it nor because habshi wants it.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:33 am
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The best way is to PAY the kids small sums for getting good
marks , not just to attend school and be bored to tears. Nearly all
will finish their schooling in five years and India will have the best
educated work force in the world.
It doesnt matter if they get the knowledge from their peers or
internet or books at home.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:18 am
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What law are u talking about? I am talking about spending
money as incentives , not just on buildings .
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:20 am
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So what ? You can still give them the money incentive even if
they have to be endorsed by a school. In fact the schools will go all
out to get their students to achieve high marks and get the money .
And those who cheat can be put in long term jail.
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