JFK's quote..dems read

In article <2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com> kands00.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (K C) writes:
<For your edifying..
<
<Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
<
<"For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
<forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
<
< The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
<hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
<human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
<forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
<the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
<the hand of God."
<
<So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God, or
<are you part of an extremist faction within your party?

Since

1) a man can easily take away another's rights; it
happens all the time -- anything from prison
to murder, and since


2) God never shows the slightest inclination to
defend these rights in Person, then


3) it's a difference which makes no difference. Believe
they're God-given if you like, but in practice you
will have whatever rights your society by tradition
grants you. And God will do nothing about it, one
way or another.

I should probably add:


4) the Bible I read is entirely about submission and
obedience to God, and does not in the least support
anything like rugged individualism.


5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear,
and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
[Ephesians 6]



1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For
there is no authority except from God, and those that exist
have been instituted by God.

2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has
appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

[Romans 13]



-- cary
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:40:51 -0600, K C wrote
(in message <2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>):

> For your edifying..
>
> Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
>
> "For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
> forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
>
> The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
> hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
> human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
> forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
> the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
> the hand of God."
>
> So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God, or
> are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
>
> http://beingone.20m.com/freedom.html


You sorta forgot FDR's statement.

It wasn't this one was it: "God's the joker that gave me polio and, so, it's
all His fault".



Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
Well, actually I made that up.
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Jd wrote:

> Cary Kittrell wrote:
>
> >In article <2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104.DeleteThis@posting.google.com> kands00.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (K C) writes:
> ><For your edifying..
> ><
> ><Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
> ><
> ><"For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
> ><forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
> ><
> >< The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
> ><hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
> ><human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
> ><forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
> ><the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
> ><the hand of God."
> ><
> ><So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God, or
> ><are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
> >
> >Since
> >
> > 1) a man can easily take away another's rights; it
> > happens all the time -- anything from prison
> > to murder, and since
> >
> >
> > 2) God never shows the slightest inclination to
> > defend these rights in Person, then
> >
> >
> > 3) it's a difference which makes no difference. Believe
> > they're God-given if you like, but in practice you
> > will have whatever rights your society by tradition
> > grants you. And God will do nothing about it, one
> > way or another.
> >
> > I should probably add:
> >
> >
> > 4) the Bible I read is entirely about submission and
> > obedience to God, and does not in the least support
> > anything like rugged individualism.
> >
> >
> > 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear,
> > and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
> > [Ephesians 6]
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For
> > there is no authority except from God, and those that exist
> > have been instituted by God.
> >
> > 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has
> > appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
> >
> > [Romans 13]
> >
> >
> >
> >-- cary
>
> The point was that those authorites (JFK and FDR) believed that our
> rights come from God, and if you disagree with the POV of those two
> well known authority figures, you may very well be an extremist of one
> faction or another.
>
> You don't mind being thought of as an extremist do you? I think you
> do else why in this world would you of all people... be hiding behind
> the Bible?
>

And both seemed to believe in extramarital hanky panky too. I guess
those of us who disagree are extremists. Well, at least according
to your definition.
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Jd wrote:

> Dave Thompson wrote:
>
> >
> >"K C" <kands00.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104@posting.google.com...
> >> For your edifying..
> >
> >Well look who's back in the troll bowl.
> >
> >>
> >> Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
> >>
> >> "For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
> >> forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
> >
> >So maybe we should all convert to Catholocism because our president was
> >Catholic?
> >
> >>
> >> The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
> >> hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
> >> human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
> >> forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
> >> the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
> >> the hand of God."
> >>
> >> So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God,
> >
> >No. Mostly because all evidence of where our rights come from is to the
> >contrary.
> >
> >
> > or
> >> are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
> >
> >Reasonable people are not extremists.
>
> How about "reasonable people who belong to a faction which opposes
> JFK, FDR, or any other President mentioning the word "God" while in
> office"?
>
> You wouldn't want anyone who has power over all those nukes to not
> believe in God would you?


I want the person with such power to be smart, really smart, ethical,
moral, caring, etc. A belief in God is not required to enjoy any
of those characteristics.

>
> Please realize that Americans want someone in the White House who
> believes he has to answer to God for his actions. And realize that
> swearing the oath of office while having one hand on the Bible assures
> Americans that that Presidents does indeed believe in a higher
> authority. Even if that President is a Democrat.
>

Participating in an optional Bible-assisted oath guarantees absolutely
nothing.
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:53:17 -0600, Jd wrote
(in message <h73h109i0vqlkljq113rltle8gfbpl5dnp RemoveThis @4ax.com>):

> The point was that those authorites (JFK and FDR) believed that our
> rights come from God,


Nope. VietNam and World War II, respectively.

If our rights came from a god, we wouldn't have to send people to kill and
die for those rights.

Or is this "God gives you rights but, since you're going to have to die
anyway, it might as well be today rather than tomorrow and, besides, church
attendance and the collection plate always improove when there's a war going
on - hopefully, anyway"?


> and if you disagree with the POV of those two
> well known authority figures, you may very well be an extremist of one
> faction or another.
>

Or have you noticed that God and the Largest Battalions make a lovely couple.


> You don't mind being thought of as an extremist do you?

Oh, why not. It gives the peasantry gossip to while away their dreary
existence; a little excitement for them until a crime show comes on. You know
those folks: when they were children they watched the other children play
cowboys and Indians

Laughing. If Cary is an "extremist" then you must not only have a meagar
existence but an incredibly boring one at that.

Perhaps you might remember what that nice Mr. Goldwater [never mind what John
Latrino Knight calls people of that backgroiund] said, "Extremism is the
pursuit of liberty is no vice."

Of course there are those who would reply, "Losing in the face of a
Presidential race is not extremism". Of course that was before President Bush
was elected by a 5 to 4 vote but nevertheless . . .


> I think . . .

Huh? When did /that/ start? I was under the impression that you were a
believer and, definitely, not a thinker. Isn't Mr. Roy Moore, Esquire, still
doing the thinking for both of you?

Actually, it's a Republican plot. Roy Moore, Esquire, is just another of the
millions that have lost their jobs since President Bush was appointed
President. However, Former Justice and, presently Esquire, Moore should be
able to collect his welfare queen money for another few months.



> . . . you do else why in this world would you of all
> people... be hiding behind the Bible?

Ah, how interesting. You believe that people can "hide behind the Bible",
huh?

Would that mean that someone can kill and then say, "Jesus said to buy
swords" and "I did and I did".

Or that when televangelists get caught coming out of a prostitute's room, he
can say "God says, 'Be fruitful and multiply' and I was just practicing"?

Or do you believe that people who call themselves "Christians" should not be
judged by the Holy Bible of the Christian Religion--that listening to
somewhat who is not in the least "Christ-like" claim to be a "Christian"
isn't psychopathic behavior on that "Christian"'s part?


Gray Shockley
---------------------------------
[Insert Bible verse here]
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Jd <Jeff.Day RemoveThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>><So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God, or
>><are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
>
>The point was that those authorites (JFK and FDR) believed that our
>rights come from God, and if you disagree with the POV of those two
>well known authority figures,

No one is an "authority" in matters of belief.

lojbab
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(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
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"Jd" <Jeff.Day DeleteThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:8r3h10dd56e2jed04rujrt0j7mu70t2oup@4ax.com...
> Dave Thompson wrote:
>
> >
> >"K C" <kands00 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104@posting.google.com...
> >> For your edifying..
> >
> >Well look who's back in the troll bowl.
> >
> >>
> >> Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
> >>
> >> "For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
> >> forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
> >
> >So maybe we should all convert to Catholocism because our president was
> >Catholic?
> >
> >>
> >> The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
> >> hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
> >> human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
> >> forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
> >> the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
> >> the hand of God."
> >>
> >> So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God,
> >
> >No. Mostly because all evidence of where our rights come from is to the
> >contrary.
> >
> >
> > or
> >> are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
> >
> >Reasonable people are not extremists.
>
> How about "reasonable people who belong to a faction which opposes
> JFK, FDR, or any other President mentioning the word "God" while in
> office"?
>
> You wouldn't want anyone who has power over all those nukes to not
> believe in God would you?

Yes I would. Someone who believes in god, such as an ignoramous such as
yourself, might believe god condones his actions.

Someone who does not believe in god would believe that they are ultimately
responsible for anything they do. They would have no excuse.


>
> Please realize that Americans want someone in the White House who
> believes he has to answer to God for his actions.

Speak for yourself.


And realize that
> swearing the oath of office while having one hand on the Bible assures
> Americans that that Presidents does indeed believe in a higher
> authority. Even if that President is a Democrat.

It's not required, and disbelief is not punishable. There is no requirement
that the president swear on the bible. I believe that when most do, it's
pandering to appease you religious morons who would fall for anything and
anybody who professed a belief in your god.

Try again, follower of the deceiver.
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:53:18 -0600, Jd wrote
(in message <8r3h10dd56e2jed04rujrt0j7mu70t2oup RemoveThis @4ax.com>):

> Dave Thompson wrote:
>
>>
>> "K C" <kands00 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104@posting.google.com...
>>> For your edifying..
>>
>> Well look who's back in the troll bowl.
>>
>>>
>>> Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
>>>
>>> "For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
>>> forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
>>
>> So maybe we should all convert to Catholocism because our president was
>> Catholic?
>>
>>>
>>> The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
>>> hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
>>> human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
>>> forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
>>> the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
>>> the hand of God."
>>>
>>> So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God,
>>
>> No. Mostly because all evidence of where our rights come from is to the
>> contrary.
>>
>>
>> or
>>> are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
>>
>> Reasonable people are not extremists.
>
> How about "reasonable people who belong to a faction which opposes
> JFK, FDR, or any other President mentioning the word "God" while in
> office"?
>
> You wouldn't want anyone who has power over all those nukes to not
> believe in God would you?
>
> Please realize that Americans want someone in the White House who
> believes he has to answer to God for his actions. And realize that
> swearing the oath of office while having one hand on the Bible assures
> Americans that that Presidents does indeed believe in a higher
> authority. Even if that President is a Democrat.
>
> Jd

JFK and FDR were Democrats.

Calvin Coolidge and Richard Nixon were Republicans.


/gray/
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Jd <Jeff.Day RemoveThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> or
>>> are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
>>
>>Reasonable people are not extremists.
>
>How about "reasonable people who belong to a faction which opposes
>JFK, FDR, or any other President mentioning the word "God" while in
>office"?

Which faction is opposed to a President mentioning the word "God"
while in office?

Prove that there are people who hold this straw man point of view.

lojbab
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In article <8r3h10dd56e2jed04rujrt0j7mu70t2oup.RemoveThis@4ax.com> Jd <Jeff.Day.RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net> writes:
<Dave Thompson wrote:
<
<>
<>"K C" <kands00.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<>news:2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104@posting.google.com...
<
{...}
<
<How about "reasonable people who belong to a faction which opposes
<JFK, FDR, or any other President mentioning the word "God" while in
<office"?
<
<You wouldn't want anyone who has power over all those nukes to not
<believe in God would you?
<
<Please realize that Americans want someone in the White House who
<believes he has to answer to God for his actions. And realize that
<swearing the oath of office while having one hand on the Bible assures
<Americans that that Presidents does indeed believe in a higher
<authority. Even if that President is a Democrat.

We ran the experiment, and it turns out you're wrong. Case in
point: our current, God-fearing, Bible-swearing Prexy, who came
into office fully determined to start a war -- or to finish
one his Daddy fumbled -- and then lied, lied, and lied
again to get the rest of us to go along. Still lying in fact,
as of yesterday. Seems your God doesn't inhibit him at bit.


-- cary
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In article <h73h109i0vqlkljq113rltle8gfbpl5dnp.TakeThisOut@4ax.com> Jd <Jeff.Day.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> writes:
<Cary Kittrell wrote:
<
<>In article <2aab65fe.0401271440.7c8ea104.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com> kands00.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (K C) writes:
<><For your edifying..
<><
<><Consider this quote from JFK's inaugural address.
<><
<><"For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our
<><forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.
<><
<>< The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal
<><hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of
<><human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
<><forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
<><the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
<><the hand of God."
<><
<><So, do you, as with JFK and FDR believe our rights come from God, or
<><are you part of an extremist faction within your party?
<>
<>Since
<>
<> 1) a man can easily take away another's rights; it
<> happens all the time -- anything from prison
<> to murder, and since
<>
<>
<> 2) God never shows the slightest inclination to
<> defend these rights in Person, then
<>
<>
<> 3) it's a difference which makes no difference. Believe
<> they're God-given if you like, but in practice you
<> will have whatever rights your society by tradition
<> grants you. And God will do nothing about it, one
<> way or another.
<>
<> I should probably add:
<>
<>
<> 4) the Bible I read is entirely about submission and
<> obedience to God, and does not in the least support
<> anything like rugged individualism.
<>
<>
<> 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear,
<> and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
<> [Ephesians 6]
<>
<>
<>
<> 1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For
<> there is no authority except from God, and those that exist
<> have been instituted by God.
<>
<> 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has
<> appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
<>
<> [Romans 13]
<>
<>
<>
<>-- cary
<
<The point was that those authorites (JFK and FDR) believed that our
<rights come from God, and if you disagree with the POV of those two
<well known authority figures, you may very well be an extremist of one
<faction or another.
<
<You don't mind being thought of as an extremist do you?

Heh. If it gets someone like you to hold up JFK and FDR as
high and quoteable moral authorities, worthy of admiration and
emulation, why then you can call me anything you'd like.



-- cary
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