Learning How to Say Goodbye

hal.RemoveThis@nospam.com brayed:
> LeMod Pol <modpol.RemoveThis@igs.net> wrote:

> > If I Die
> > Learning How to Say Goodbye

> >This is an heart rending series, but very important
> >reading, most particularly for every parent and
> >grandparent, and teenagers too.
> >
> What about all the parents who have to say goodbye
> to their children to go die in Iraq?

Hey Dimwit - Do you always mix apples and lemons????

Those "children" are all adults off to defend their
country, America. It would seem that 'your' country is
not America.

Further- OSHA declared that military service may be
"hazardous to your health". They are all volunteers,
unlike the young kids with cancer and cystic fibrosis
etc, and you are an unfeeling, sanctimonious jackass.

My first-born son had cystic fibrosis, for which there
is no cure. All we could do was try to extend his life,
relieve his pain, and pray for a medical breakthrough,
which after 50 years has still not appeared. And before
that I had 2 cousins about my age who died, one age 4
the other 12, before CF was even known.

I suggest you go back and read the articles (I am sure
you did not go to the site). You will learn a lot about
life and death, and perhaps more about yourself.

www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.angels19dec19,1,5913285.story?...l=bal-h

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LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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LeMod Pol <modpol DeleteThis @igs.net> wrote:
>hal@nospam.com brayed:
>> LeMod Pol <modpol DeleteThis @igs.net> wrote:
>
>> > If I Die
>> > Learning How to Say Goodbye
>
>> >This is an heart rending series, but very important
>> >reading, most particularly for every parent and
>> >grandparent, and teenagers too.
>> >
>> What about all the parents who have to say goodbye
>> to their children to go die in Iraq?
>
>Hey Dimwit - Do you always mix apples and lemons????
>
>Those "children" are all adults off to defend their
>country, America. It would seem that 'your' country is
>not America.

It would seem that hal thinks that the military in Iraq is not in fact
"defending America", but rather "imposing the Bush agenda on Iraq".

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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
>
> LeMod Pol <modpol RemoveThis @igs.net> wrote:
> >hal@nospam.com brayed:
> >> LeMod Pol <modpol RemoveThis @igs.net> wrote:
> >
> >> > If I Die
> >> > Learning How to Say Goodbye
> >
> >> >This is an heart rending series, but very important
> >> >reading, most particularly for every parent and
> >> >grandparent, and teenagers too.
> >> >
> >> What about all the parents who have to say goodbye
> >> to their children to go die in Iraq?
> >
> >Hey Dimwit - Do you always mix apples and lemons????
> >
> >Those "children" are all adults off to defend their
> >country, America. It would seem that 'your' country is
> >not America.
>
> It would seem that hal thinks that the military in Iraq is not in fact
> "defending America", but rather "imposing the Bush agenda on Iraq".

Of course what he thinks about had nothing to do with
the subject of this thread

it would seem that you agree with hal, making you just
as ignorant as him.

Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
keeping American civilians safe.

This 'war' is not going away any time soon.
There are some that believe that it will take another
70 years, while I think that it could extend into the
22nd century. But it has already run for almost 1400 years.

Then there are serious problems at home brought about
by a couple of domestic fifth columns including the
radical "academics" in our universities' "peace
studies" and "middle east studies" who don't teach --
only endoctrinate antiamericanism.

For a look at another you might read:
CAIR's Dreams of American Sharia
By Joe Kaufman
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:39:58 -0500
Groups: us.politics,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
alt.security.terrorism,alt.politics.democrats.d,
alt.politics.bush

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:24:09 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.TakeThisOut@igs.net> wrote:

>Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
>that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
>keeping American civilians safe.

That may be what Bush says, but we cannot know for
sure that this is the truth. Bush has a way of twisting facts
(or his advisors do). I doubt if his real agenda will be
known until long after he is dead.


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that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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In article <q4fos0tio35dlu9abt6v8uhd88soqbo7ht RemoveThis @4ax.com>, toto says...
>
>On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:24:09 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol RemoveThis @igs.net> wrote:
>
>>Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
>>that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
>>keeping American civilians safe.
>
>That may be what Bush says, but we cannot know for
>sure that this is the truth. Bush has a way of twisting facts
>(or his advisors do). I doubt if his real agenda will be
>known until long after he is dead.

I think we don't have to wait until he is dead, or wait at all.

I think the most important moment of the 2004 presidential debates is the moment
when Bush stated that we had been attacked by Iraq.

Banty
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toto wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:24:09 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol DeleteThis @igs.net> wrote:
>
> >Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
> >that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
> >keeping American civilians safe.
>
> That may be what Bush says, but we cannot know for
> sure that this is the truth. Bush has a way of twisting facts
> (or his advisors do). I doubt if his real agenda will be
> known until long after he is dead.
>
His actions speak loudly: he is "fight[ing] the enemy
'offshore', keeping American civilians safe.

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:57:27 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.TakeThisOut@igs.net> wrote:

>
>
>toto wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:24:09 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.TakeThisOut@igs.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
>> >that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
>> >keeping American civilians safe.
>>
>> That may be what Bush says, but we cannot know for
>> sure that this is the truth. Bush has a way of twisting facts
>> (or his advisors do). I doubt if his real agenda will be
>> known until long after he is dead.
>>
>His actions speak loudly: he is "fight[ing] the enemy
>'offshore', keeping American civilians safe.

I don't feel safer than I was before the war in Iraq. In fact,
I feel less safe as he is creating more terrorists.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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toto wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:57:27 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.DeleteThis@igs.net> wrote:
> >toto wrote:
> >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:24:09 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.DeleteThis@igs.net> wrote:
> >> >Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
> >> >that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
> >> >keeping American civilians safe.
> >>
> >> That may be what Bush says, but we cannot know for
> >> sure that this is the truth. Bush has a way of twisting facts
> >> (or his advisors do). I doubt if his real agenda will be
> >> known until long after he is dead.
> >>
> >His actions speak loudly: he is "fight[ing] the enemy
> >'offshore', keeping American civilians safe.
>
> I don't feel safer than I was before the war in Iraq. In fact,
> I feel less safe as he is creating more terrorists.

I am surprised to find you, usually so firmly grounded
in fact and logic, indulging in delusion.

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:57:55 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol RemoveThis @igs.net> wrote:

>
>
>toto wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:57:27 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol RemoveThis @igs.net> wrote:
>> >toto wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:24:09 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol RemoveThis @igs.net> wrote:
>> >> >Of course, you could think for a moment, if you can,
>> >> >that Bush's "agenda" is to fight the enemy 'offshore'
>> >> >keeping American civilians safe.
>> >>
>> >> That may be what Bush says, but we cannot know for
>> >> sure that this is the truth. Bush has a way of twisting facts
>> >> (or his advisors do). I doubt if his real agenda will be
>> >> known until long after he is dead.
>> >>
>> >His actions speak loudly: he is "fight[ing] the enemy
>> >'offshore', keeping American civilians safe.
>>
>> I don't feel safer than I was before the war in Iraq. In fact,
>> I feel less safe as he is creating more terrorists.
>
>I am surprised to find you, usually so firmly grounded
>in fact and logic, indulging in delusion.

Try talking to actual Iraqi citizens. It might open your eyes.

And try getting news from many sources, not from US
media.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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toto wrote:
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> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:57:55 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.DeleteThis@igs.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >toto wrote:
> >> I don't feel safer than I was before the war in Iraq. In fact,
> >> I feel less safe as he is creating more terrorists.
> >
> >I am surprised to find you, usually so firmly
> >grounded in fact and logic, indulging in delusion.
>
> Try talking to actual Iraqi citizens. It might open your eyes.

And you have???

> And try getting news from many sources, not from US
> media.

1- the origin of this story was a feature series about
children with fatal illnesses, and nothing about
politics or Iraq.
2- I erred in allowing that bush-hating jackass hijack
the thread.
3- Most of the material I post about the middle east
and Europe comes, not from US mainstream media, rather
from reliable mideastern sources and a few good sources
(mostly scholars) here.

I have been studying Mideastern culture and politics
for more than 50 years and I can supply a book list of
credible texts on the subject so that 'you' can get
past the disinformation supplied by AP et al and MoveOn.fools.

You should also read an article I posted earlier this
eve, by an eminent scholar.
"Insurgency" and the Future of the Middle East
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4- When you type "I feel less safe as he is creating
more terrorists." you are merely repeating propaganda
propagated by George Soros' moveon.fools hate-Bush
machine.

You should know better than that.

BTW- "he is creating more terrorists" will not stand 10
seconds of analysis. You demean yourself by repeating
it and I defy you to provide credible proof of that statement.

For another insight into how terrorists are created
(actually they are hired at relatively huge salaries):
read in us.politics,
All aboard the terrorists' bus to Iraq
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:57:01 -0500
You can also find it @
telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/02/wirq102.xml

Enjoy --- and have a happy holiday

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:58:45 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.DeleteThis@igs.net> wrote:

>I have been studying Mideastern culture and politics
>for more than 50 years and I can supply a book list of
>credible texts on the subject so that 'you' can get
>past the disinformation supplied by AP et al and MoveOn.fools.

I get my information from neither AP nor Moveon


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:58:45 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.RemoveThis@igs.net> wrote:

>BTW- "he is creating more terrorists" will not stand 10
>seconds of analysis. You demean yourself by repeating
>it and I defy you to provide credible proof of that statement.

Try reading the history of the CIA in action.

A good start is Blowback by Chalmers Johnson -
The Costs and Consequences of American Empire

There *are* terrorists prior to these actions. There will
always be religious nutcases who want to rule the world.
But, the US does create its own monsters by attempting
to control other nations and more terrorists are recruited
when we do things as we are in Iraq for reasons that
have nothing at all to do with the security of the US.

Tell me you are not one of those who believes that Saddam
and Iraq were involved in 9/11. He wasn't and neither were
any of his people. If we were actually fighting terrorists
we would have attacked Saudi Arabia as that is the country
from which most of the 9/11 attackers came from. OTOH,
the government of Saudi Arabia is friendly to the US - it
allows us to have bases and it has lots of oil to sell us.
Of course, they are by no means democratic to their own
citizens or to the immigrant workforce there, but who cares
about that?




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There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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toto wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:58:45 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol.TakeThisOut@igs.net> wrote:
>
> >BTW- "he is creating more terrorists" will not stand 10
> >seconds of analysis. You demean yourself by repeating
> >it and I defy you to provide credible proof of that statement.
>
> Try reading the history of the CIA in action.
>
> A good start is Blowback by Chalmers Johnson -
> The Costs and Consequences of American Empire

The title tells me that it is anti-American cow plop
>
> There *are* terrorists prior to these actions. There will
> always be religious nutcases who want to rule the world.

Is that how you explain the 1,382 years of conflict
since the hegira?

> But, the US does create its own monsters by attempting
> to control other nations

Proof???

and more terrorists are recruited
> when we do things as we are in Iraq

Proof??

for reasons that
> have nothing at all to do with the security of the US.

Proof????

> Tell me you are not one of those who believes that Saddam
> and Iraq were involved in 9/11.

Directly or indirectly they were.


> He wasn't and neither were any of his people.

Sssuuuuure he wasn't! Nothing moved in Iraq that
Saddam did not know about and control. He might not
have known the exact plan, but he knew it involved
airliners and he provided a training base complete with
a complete airliner cockpit.

> If we were actually fighting terrorists
> we would have attacked Saudi Arabia

Dorothy- you are becoming ludicrous. You reply to my
last post without providing the proofs asked nor
reading the articles cited and provide more unsupported
nonsense without cites.

Best you go hang your stocking for Santa Claus.

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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