ProudSoutherner <dixieboy.TakeThisOut@bubba.com> wrote:
>OK Ms. Tucker. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that affirmative
>action will not "Lower the bar" at the University Of Georgia
>
>Please explain why compared to the rest of the world the United
>States(2003 Data) has fallen considerably in test score standings since
>public school integration in the 1960's?
Show us evidence of where we stood in international test scores before
public school integration. We cannot have "fallen" if we were never
higher than we are now.
>The US is now 23rd in the world in test scores.
No. A group of American kids are 28th among 40 nations in one
particular math test, and somewhat higher in reading and science.
>In the 1950's BEFORE Public School integration we were in the top 10
Cite please.
>http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2005/2005003_1.pdf
>
>The Governments own data
That isn't "the Governments own data", but rather a study funded by
the OECD.
>shows Blacks and Hispanics score below Whites.
And they did in the 1950s too. But they score closer now than they
did then, and far more of them complete school.
>Also, the overall test scores in the Atlanta Public school system are
>some of the worst in Georgia and they are predominantly African-American
>
>Can you explain that for the readers in Atlanta???
>
>Please don't say it's a money or teacher issue because the Atlanta
>public school budget is one of the highest in the State and also the
>student/teacher ratio is one of the best
Cite, please. For those 6 districts which are among the 100 largest
in the country Atlanta is 4th in student/teacher ratio:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/100_largest/table_01_2.asp
Gwinett County 15.3:1
Dekalb County 16.5:1
Cobb County 14.9:1
Fulton County 15.5:1
Atlanta City 16.4:1
Clayton County 17.6:1
The national average for student teacher ratio is 16.0:1, so Atlanta
isn't even better than average for student/teacher ratio.
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/100_largest/discussion.asp#tableA
These numbers have improved in the last couple of years. The newly
released tables for 2003 show Atlanta's ratio at 15.1:1, which now is
one of the better ratios in the state. But student/teacher ratio
takes years to make a difference.
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d03/tables/dt089.asp
One reason Atlanta schools do poorly - nationally 12.5% of students
are in special education under an IEP. Cobb County is 12.1%, Fulton
County 10.7%, Gwinett County 10.4%. Atlanta City is only 6.9%, while
having a high risk population that would be expected to have more
special ed kids than average. So probably half the kids that need
special education aren't getting it.
>There is also a site that I could not locate that shows American school
>test scores MINUS Black and Hispanic test score inclusion.
>Using that data the America test scores rose back into the top 10.
No. And unfortunately for your biases, blacks and hispanics would be
included in international testing even if schools were segregated, and
undoubtedly the overall national scores would be lower. Blacks and
hispanics will always count in the international comparisons, no
matter how much you wish that they didn't.
>Data is data and it does not lie. All kids deserve a good education but
>the data shows Blacks and Hispanics lag far behind.
Therefore we need to work harder to get them caught up.
>It is the primary reason my kids are in private school.
Excuses, excuses. The test scores of blacks and hispanics have
nothing to do with the test scores of your kids, so their scores are
irrelevant to any sound decision.
lojbab
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