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Locke v. Davey: Imposing Secular Dogmatism
by Bruce Walker
26 February 2004

The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is based
upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
unitary whole.

The Supreme Court has now ruled in a lopsided seven to two decision that the
State of Washington may deny scholarships to students studying divinity.
This decision solidifies decades of judicial pogroms against certain types
of faith. Although this decision will be presented as just another of the
increasingly bizarre extra-legislative steps necessary to separate church
and state, it is exactly the imposition of dogma upon American society.

Science is faith and theology is science. Knowledge of reality requires
belief. Ancients properly understood that religion is simply a method of
explaining nature. It is not just that religion was a variation of science,
religion was science and science was religion.

The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is based
upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
unitary whole. The famous trial of Galileo, for example, was based not upon
theological disagreements but upon scientific disagreements.

Ptolemy had presented the world with a scientific theory to describe the
movements of stars and planets. His system was accepted because it was a
very successful model, not because it supported any critical aspect of
Judeo-Christian theology. Copernicus proposed another scientific model. Both
these models were imperfect, but intellectually rigorous.

Galileo refined the Heliocentric Theory -- and the word "theory" is
crucial -- but even his refinement was inaccurate. It was fundamentally
flawed in the supposition that the sun was the center of the universe and it
failed experimentally to provide answers to several serious problems.
Galileo was wrong.

Today much of what we call "science" is simply theory. Quantum mechanics,
for example, has several different explanations for reality at the subatomic
level. Mathematical models are useful, but imperfect, predictors of reality
at that level. Quantum mechanics actually "works" only at the scale of our
perceptions, the ordinary world which we observe.

Relativity is also simply theory. Einstein proposed his special and his
general theories of relativity to explain the paradox of the nonsensical
barrier of the speed of light. His theory works very well, but it is hardly
perfect. Einstein is simply Ptolemy -- someone who has the best working
system for explaining the perceivable world.

This is precisely what religion does: it explains reality at our level. If
it fails, then it is imperfect religion and imperfect science. The effective
operation of religion in history is very persuasive empirical evidence of
the scientific validity of religion. Most of the giants of science have been
deeply religious.

Indeed, a good case can be made that religion is better science than
science. Religion explains the creation of Creation, which science does not.
Religion explains the absurdity of quantum mechanics, which science does
not. Religion explains the future of the future, which science does not.
Religion explains the birth of life, which science does not.

Indeed, many, perhaps most, areas of science lack any scientific consensus.
Will the universe expand to an entropic death or implode into a massive
black hole? Scientific opinion swings about every five years on that
subject. Does the universe diverge into an almost infinite number of
alternate universes every nanosecond? Scientists disagree.

One of the few real certainties in science is that religion profoundly
improves scientific inquiry. Why? It allows a foundation for observation; it
provides a system of integrity; and it provides a purpose for inquiry
itself. Religion is the indispensable foundation of our very notion of
truth.
When the judiciary demands that government can no longer support religious
study as a form of education and intellectual activity, then government has
declared Secular Dogmatism the official state faith.

If this seems far fetched, consider what government now gleefully supports:
consciously profane "art," history courses which describe religion as hokum,
the presentation of evolution by natural selection as Official Truth
(despite so many gaping holes that if Darwinism did not savage religion, it
would have long ago been discarded as infantile pseudo-science) and social
studies courses which propound preposterous explanations for human thought
and sentiment.

The noxious faith of Secular Dogmatism provides none of the safeguards of
religious faith. There is no natural mechanism to prevent the descent of
humanity into a lightless dystopia. Official persecution of religion means
that all of the many different manifestations of Judeo-Christian faith are
obligatory victims. Diversity ends. The ongoing dialog which is the stuff of
all true science and all true religion stops.

This inevitably will lead to the same perverse intolerance within that small
part of human existence which we normally mean by "science." The Soviet
Union is an excellent example of that disintegration of real thought,
including particularly "science."

Stalin decreed that Lysenko, the dodo who proposed as Marxist "science" his
notion that developed characteristics can be passed on genetically, was
politically correct science. Any botanist or biologist who disagreed on
scientific grounds was not only deemed wrong scientifically but an enemy of
the state.

Study, research and inquiry -- no longer protected by the benevolent
structure of Christianity -- imploded. The genius of the Russian people,
which had produced great science as well as great art under the Tsars, died
with Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Lysenko.

A nation which had the fastest growing economy among the major nations on
earth and the fastest rising class of true intellectuals wilted into
atheistic incompetence (the myth that the Bolshevik Revolution led to a
better life for ordinary Russians is the most corrupt and most grimly
comical myth of the last century.)

When Eric Blair wrote his masterpiece 1984, he was describing the Soviet
Union. The common feature of this and other literary descriptions of
hopeless futures is Godlessness. Without God, man stops growing (Brave New
World notes that invention is deliberately suppressed and dreary constancy
is carefully preserved.) Without God, man stops caring. Without God, man
stops thinking.

Secular Dogmatism is a jealous, vicious and hateful faith. It no more
tolerates speculation and differing opinion than Hitler tolerated different
ideas of racial equality or Stalin tolerated contradiction of Lysenko.
Secular Dogmatism sniffs, hunts and destroys heretics, whether they are
theistic, agnostic or atheistic.

God created humanity, and He instilled within man the capacity to flourish
in any environment in which transcendent morality was acknowledged. Egypt,
India, China and Sumeria each had definite, though different, ideas of
immutable right and wrong. Every human civilization has reached civilization
with the structure of moral purpose.

It is not so much that the "right" religion is essential -- although a
compelling case can be made that the Judeo-Christian faith clearly works
better than any other -- but it is that a religion is always "right" when
the alternative is no religion.

In this new judicially decreed era of Secular Dogmatism, no religion is
permissible. Tragically, that means no science, no decency and no
civilization will be possible either. Modern universities evolved directly
out of cathedral schools of Christendom. Modern jurisprudence evolved
directly out of Judeo-Christian principles of real law.

Universities and courts, culprits in the latest crime against religious
belief, have not just slit the throat of civilization by their raging
bigotry. These two children of Judeo-Christian faith have committed suicide.




--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.

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"Dana" <1> wrote in message
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> http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3171.html
> Locke v. Davey: Imposing Secular Dogmatism
> by Bruce Walker

From http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=2148

Bruce Walker has been a dyed in the wool conservative since, as a sixth
grader, he campaigned door to door for Barry Goldwater. Bruce has had almost
two hundred published articles have appeared in the Oklahoma Bar Journal,
Law & Order, Legal Secretary Today, The Single Parent, Enter Stage Right,
Citizen's View, The American Partisan, Port of Call, and several other
professional and political periodicals.

> 26 February 2004
>
> The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is
based
> upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
> unitary whole.
>
> The Supreme Court has now ruled in a lopsided seven to two decision that
the
> State of Washington may deny scholarships to students studying divinity.
> This decision solidifies decades of judicial pogroms against certain types
> of faith. Although this decision will be presented as just another of the
> increasingly bizarre extra-legislative steps necessary to separate church
> and state, it is exactly the imposition of dogma upon American society.
>
> Science is faith and theology is science. Knowledge of reality requires
> belief. Ancients properly understood that religion is simply a method of
> explaining nature. It is not just that religion was a variation of
science,
> religion was science and science was religion.
>
> The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is
based
> upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
> unitary whole. The famous trial of Galileo, for example, was based not
upon
> theological disagreements but upon scientific disagreements.
>
> Ptolemy had presented the world with a scientific theory to describe the
> movements of stars and planets. His system was accepted because it was a
> very successful model, not because it supported any critical aspect of
> Judeo-Christian theology. Copernicus proposed another scientific model.
Both
> these models were imperfect, but intellectually rigorous.
>
> Galileo refined the Heliocentric Theory -- and the word "theory" is
> crucial -- but even his refinement was inaccurate. It was fundamentally
> flawed in the supposition that the sun was the center of the universe and
it
> failed experimentally to provide answers to several serious problems.
> Galileo was wrong.
>
> Today much of what we call "science" is simply theory. Quantum mechanics,
> for example, has several different explanations for reality at the
subatomic
> level. Mathematical models are useful, but imperfect, predictors of
reality
> at that level. Quantum mechanics actually "works" only at the scale of our
> perceptions, the ordinary world which we observe.
>
> Relativity is also simply theory. Einstein proposed his special and his
> general theories of relativity to explain the paradox of the nonsensical
> barrier of the speed of light. His theory works very well, but it is
hardly
> perfect. Einstein is simply Ptolemy -- someone who has the best working
> system for explaining the perceivable world.
>
> This is precisely what religion does: it explains reality at our level. If
> it fails, then it is imperfect religion and imperfect science. The
effective
> operation of religion in history is very persuasive empirical evidence of
> the scientific validity of religion. Most of the giants of science have
been
> deeply religious.
>
> Indeed, a good case can be made that religion is better science than
> science. Religion explains the creation of Creation, which science does
not.
> Religion explains the absurdity of quantum mechanics, which science does
> not. Religion explains the future of the future, which science does not.
> Religion explains the birth of life, which science does not.
>
> Indeed, many, perhaps most, areas of science lack any scientific
consensus.
> Will the universe expand to an entropic death or implode into a massive
> black hole? Scientific opinion swings about every five years on that
> subject. Does the universe diverge into an almost infinite number of
> alternate universes every nanosecond? Scientists disagree.
>
> One of the few real certainties in science is that religion profoundly
> improves scientific inquiry. Why? It allows a foundation for observation;
it
> provides a system of integrity; and it provides a purpose for inquiry
> itself. Religion is the indispensable foundation of our very notion of
> truth.
> When the judiciary demands that government can no longer support religious
> study as a form of education and intellectual activity, then government
has
> declared Secular Dogmatism the official state faith.
>
> If this seems far fetched, consider what government now gleefully
supports:
> consciously profane "art," history courses which describe religion as
hokum,
> the presentation of evolution by natural selection as Official Truth
> (despite so many gaping holes that if Darwinism did not savage religion,
it
> would have long ago been discarded as infantile pseudo-science) and social
> studies courses which propound preposterous explanations for human thought
> and sentiment.
>
> The noxious faith of Secular Dogmatism provides none of the safeguards of
> religious faith. There is no natural mechanism to prevent the descent of
> humanity into a lightless dystopia. Official persecution of religion means
> that all of the many different manifestations of Judeo-Christian faith are
> obligatory victims. Diversity ends. The ongoing dialog which is the stuff
of
> all true science and all true religion stops.
>
> This inevitably will lead to the same perverse intolerance within that
small
> part of human existence which we normally mean by "science." The Soviet
> Union is an excellent example of that disintegration of real thought,
> including particularly "science."
>
> Stalin decreed that Lysenko, the dodo who proposed as Marxist "science"
his
> notion that developed characteristics can be passed on genetically, was
> politically correct science. Any botanist or biologist who disagreed on
> scientific grounds was not only deemed wrong scientifically but an enemy
of
> the state.
>
> Study, research and inquiry -- no longer protected by the benevolent
> structure of Christianity -- imploded. The genius of the Russian people,
> which had produced great science as well as great art under the Tsars,
died
> with Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Lysenko.
>
> A nation which had the fastest growing economy among the major nations on
> earth and the fastest rising class of true intellectuals wilted into
> atheistic incompetence (the myth that the Bolshevik Revolution led to a
> better life for ordinary Russians is the most corrupt and most grimly
> comical myth of the last century.)
>
> When Eric Blair wrote his masterpiece 1984, he was describing the Soviet
> Union. The common feature of this and other literary descriptions of
> hopeless futures is Godlessness. Without God, man stops growing (Brave New
> World notes that invention is deliberately suppressed and dreary constancy
> is carefully preserved.) Without God, man stops caring. Without God, man
> stops thinking.
>
> Secular Dogmatism is a jealous, vicious and hateful faith. It no more
> tolerates speculation and differing opinion than Hitler tolerated
different
> ideas of racial equality or Stalin tolerated contradiction of Lysenko.
> Secular Dogmatism sniffs, hunts and destroys heretics, whether they are
> theistic, agnostic or atheistic.
>
> God created humanity, and He instilled within man the capacity to flourish
> in any environment in which transcendent morality was acknowledged. Egypt,
> India, China and Sumeria each had definite, though different, ideas of
> immutable right and wrong. Every human civilization has reached
civilization
> with the structure of moral purpose.
>
> It is not so much that the "right" religion is essential -- although a
> compelling case can be made that the Judeo-Christian faith clearly works
> better than any other -- but it is that a religion is always "right" when
> the alternative is no religion.
>
> In this new judicially decreed era of Secular Dogmatism, no religion is
> permissible. Tragically, that means no science, no decency and no
> civilization will be possible either. Modern universities evolved directly
> out of cathedral schools of Christendom. Modern jurisprudence evolved
> directly out of Judeo-Christian principles of real law.
>
> Universities and courts, culprits in the latest crime against religious
> belief, have not just slit the throat of civilization by their raging
> bigotry. These two children of Judeo-Christian faith have committed
suicide.

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"Dana" <1> wrote:
>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3171.html
>Locke v. Davey: Imposing Secular Dogmatism
>by Bruce Walker
>26 February 2004
>
>The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is based
>upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
>unitary whole.
>
>The Supreme Court has now ruled in a lopsided seven to two decision that the
>State of Washington may deny scholarships to students studying divinity.
>This decision solidifies decades of judicial pogroms against certain types
>of faith. Although this decision will be presented as just another of the
>increasingly bizarre extra-legislative steps necessary to separate church
>and state, it is exactly the imposition of dogma upon American society.
>
>Science is faith and theology is science.

False. Science is not protected under the first amendment freedom of
religion. I cite regulations regarding scientific experiments on
aborted fetuses, and regulation on human experimentation as examples.

>Today much of what we call "science" is simply theory.

All of science is simply theory, and data.

>Quantum mechanics,
>for example, has several different explanations for reality at the subatomic
>level. Mathematical models are useful, but imperfect, predictors of reality
>at that level.

Yes. So?

>Relativity is also simply theory. Einstein proposed his special and his
>general theories of relativity to explain the paradox of the nonsensical
>barrier of the speed of light. His theory works very well, but it is hardly
>perfect.

Scientists know this. It is not controversial. Scientists, unlike
religionists, do not claim that they know "Truth".

>This is precisely what religion does: it explains reality at our level.

It also claims the existence of an absolute Truth, which the
religionist claims that his religion is closest to.

>If it fails, then it is imperfect religion and imperfect science.

Science does not claim perfection.

>Indeed, a good case can be made that religion is better science than
>science. Religion explains the creation of Creation, which science does not.

Religion explains nothing in the manner required by science, which is
that the explanation be testable, and that it produce useful
predictions.

>Religion explains the absurdity of quantum mechanics, which science does
>not.

The labeling of something as "absurd" is not scientific. If it works,
predictably, it is scientific, no matter how absurd it may seem.

>Religion explains the future of the future,

A nonsensical phrase.

>which science does not.

Science claims to explain only what it explains. It does not assert
for itself more than is verifiable.

>Religion explains the birth of life, which science does not.

Religion "explains" nothing, as discussed above.

>Indeed, many, perhaps most, areas of science lack any scientific consensus.
>Will the universe expand to an entropic death or implode into a massive
>black hole? Scientific opinion swings about every five years on that
>subject. Does the universe diverge into an almost infinite number of
>alternate universes every nanosecond? Scientists disagree.

That is GOOD! Scientists SHOULD disagree about matters that there is
a lack of evidence on.

>One of the few real certainties in science is that religion profoundly
>improves scientific inquiry.

That is hardly a certainty in science. It is not even a scientific
statement, since "improves" is an undefined word in the context, and
"profoundly" is a subjective adjective.

>Why? It allows a foundation for observation; it
>provides a system of integrity; and it provides a purpose for inquiry
>itself.

None of which is relevant.

>Religion is the indispensable foundation of our very notion of truth.

Which is precisely why it has nothing to do with science, which
doesn't have much to do with notions of truth.

>If this seems far fetched, consider what government now gleefully supports:

Government doesn't "gleefully" to anything.

>consciously profane "art,"

Irrelevant.

>history courses which describe religion as hokum,

They don't, but...

By definition, if religion is about absolute truth, then no more than
one religion can be correct, and all others must therefore be hokum.
The only question is whether any one religion is correct, or whether
all religions are hokum

>the presentation of evolution by natural selection as Official Truth

Science is not about Truth, Official or otherwise.

>(despite so many gaping holes that if Darwinism did not savage religion, it
>would have long ago been discarded as infantile pseudo-science)

False.

>and social
>studies courses which propound preposterous explanations for human thought
>and sentiment.

They propound what social scientists come up with. If you can do
better, get your credential, and publish or perish with the best of
them.

>The noxious faith of Secular Dogmatism

No such faith.

>provides none of the safeguards of religious faith.

There are no safeguards.

>There is no natural mechanism to prevent the descent of
>humanity into a lightless dystopia.

Some people consider a theocracy would be just such a lightless
dystopia.

>Official persecution of religion

Lack of official support is NOT persecution. Religion is less
persecuted in this society than in any other.

>Diversity ends.

Diversity seems to be precisely what is springing up.

>The ongoing dialog which is the stuff of all true science and all true religion stops.

Dialog is not the stuff of science, "true" or otherwise. Experiment
and analysis and theory in a repeating cycle is the stuff of science.

>Study, research and inquiry -- no longer protected by the benevolent
>structure of Christianity -- imploded. The genius of the Russian people,
>which had produced great science as well as great art under the Tsars, died
>with Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Lysenko.

The genius of the Russian people is alive and well.

>A nation which had the fastest growing economy among the major nations on
>earth

Data is lacking. Russia was in a state of economic collapse for most
of the two decades before the Bolshevik Revolution.

and the fastest rising class of true intellectuals wilted into
>atheistic incompetence (the myth that the Bolshevik Revolution led to a
>better life for ordinary Russians is the most corrupt and most grimly
>comical myth of the last century.)

One would have to define "better life", and then provide data, in
order to reach any conclusion on the matter.

>God created humanity,

Says who?

>and He instilled within man the capacity to flourish
>in any environment in which transcendent morality was acknowledged. Egypt,
>India, China and Sumeria each had definite, though different, ideas of
>immutable right and wrong.

If it is immutable, then at least two of them were wrong.

>Every human civilization has reached civilization
>with the structure of moral purpose.

Self-referential nonsense.

>It is not so much that the "right" religion is essential

Why not?

>-- although a compelling case can be made that the Judeo-Christian faith clearly works
>better than any other

There is no "Judeo-Christian faith". There are a number of
historically related religions that are collectivized under the label
"Judeo-Christian", but they don't have much other than history in
common.

>-- but it is that a religion is always "right" when the alternative is no religion.

Define "right" in this context so as to not be self-contradictory.


>In this new judicially decreed era of Secular Dogmatism, no religion is
>permissible.

False. All religions are equally permissible, but none are
governmentally supported.

>Tragically, that means no science,

Science is doing fine.

>no decency

Define "decency" in this context so as to not be circular.

>and no civilization will be possible either.

Poof: the Supreme Court rules, and the world returns to the jungle.

>Modern universities evolved directly out of cathedral schools of Christendom.

That magic word "evolved" is there. Modern universities are NOT the
cathedral schools of Christendom, just as mankind is not a bunch of
single-celled alga

>Modern jurisprudence evolved directly out of Judeo-Christian principles of real law.

Not in the least "directly".

>Universities and courts, culprits in the latest crime against religious
>belief, have not just slit the throat of civilization by their raging
>bigotry. These two children of Judeo-Christian faith have committed suicide.

They haven't gone away yet, and I see no reason to believe that they
are about to.

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In article <1f24454ddcb86190f6d0e52fa53f8b7c RemoveThis @news.meganetnews.com> "Dana" <1> writes:
<http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3171.html
<Locke v. Davey: Imposing Secular Dogmatism
<by Bruce Walker
<26 February 2004
<
<The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is based
<upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
<unitary whole.
<
<The Supreme Court has now ruled in a lopsided seven to two decision that the
<State of Washington may deny scholarships to students studying divinity.
<This decision solidifies decades of judicial pogroms against certain types
<of faith. Although this decision will be presented as just another of the
<increasingly bizarre extra-legislative steps necessary to separate church
<and state, it is exactly the imposition of dogma upon American society.
<
<Science is faith and theology is science. Knowledge of reality requires
<belief. Ancients properly understood that religion is simply a method of
<explaining nature. It is not just that religion was a variation of science,
<religion was science and science was religion.
<
<The manufactured illusion of a schism between science and religion is based
<upon the mistaken, or perhaps dishonest, precept that science is a pure,
<unitary whole. The famous trial of Galileo, for example, was based not upon
<theological disagreements but upon scientific disagreements.
<
<Ptolemy had presented the world with a scientific theory to describe the
<movements of stars and planets. His system was accepted because it was a
<very successful model, not because it supported any critical aspect of
<Judeo-Christian theology. Copernicus proposed another scientific model. Both
<these models were imperfect, but intellectually rigorous.



But when the heloicentric model came along, the Church, feeling its influence
waning with Reformation, went to a zero-tolerance policy against anyone who
disagreed with Aristotle. Galileo was placed under house arrest, Bruno
was burned at the stake.

This is nothing moire or less than a scientific theory being supported
for theological reasons.


In any event, model or not, Copernicus' theory worked better than had Ptolemy's.

And Kepler's revisions made it work still better.

And Newton's refinements made it better still.

And Einstein's tweaks made it even closer to reality; it is now correct
to within the limitations of measurement.

Science has a built-in mechanism for biasing its changes so that
each new model will be closer to reality than its predecessor.

Theology has no feedback, and thus no such rudder.

We note that our Mister Walker's words on this subject are now
available in seconds to everyone in the world who has access
to a computer.

That is the legacy of physics, not theology.

<Galileo refined the Heliocentric Theory -- and the word "theory" is
<crucial -- but even his refinement was inaccurate. It was fundamentally
<flawed in the supposition that the sun was the center of the universe and it
<failed experimentally to provide answers to several serious problems.
<Galileo was wrong.

<
<Today much of what we call "science" is simply theory. Quantum mechanics,
<for example, has several different explanations for reality at the subatomic
<level. Mathematical models are useful, but imperfect, predictors of reality
<at that level.

And at least one of these "imperfect" mathematical predictions has
been found to agree with measurement to eight deicmal places. Theology
has what, exactly, to show that it also reflects reality to this degree?

<Quantum mechanics actually "works" only at the scale of our
<perceptions, the ordinary world which we observe.


Precisely backwards, quantum effects dominate only at atomic and
sub-atomic scales.


<Relativity is also simply theory.


And binary pulsars have been measured to be slowing at a rate predicted
by general relativity, agreeing to within ELEVEN decimal places. Where
in theology do we find such accurate descriptions of reality?



<Einstein proposed his special and his
<general theories of relativity to explain the paradox of the nonsensical
<barrier of the speed of light. His theory works very well, but it is hardly
<perfect. Einstein is simply Ptolemy -- someone who has the best working
<system for explaining the perceivable world.
<
<This is precisely what religion does: it explains reality at our level. If
<it fails, then it is imperfect religion and imperfect science. The effective
<operation of religion in history is very persuasive empirical evidence of
<the scientific validity of religion. Most of the giants of science have been
<deeply religious.
<
<Indeed, a good case can be made that religion is better science than
<science. Religion explains the creation of Creation, which science does not.

Religion does not explain the creation of the Creator, and is thus
on exactly the same level of science with regard to this problem.


<Religion explains the absurdity of quantum mechanics,

.... types Mr. Walker, using a computer based whose electronics are
are based on the laws of "absurd" quantum mechanics.


<which science does
<not. Religion explains the future of the future, which science does not.
<Religion explains the birth of life, which science does not.

True, religion does explain the origins of life. And not only does
religion have an explanation, religion has HUNDREDS of explanations.
One per religion. All of them different.


-- cary
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:03 pm
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"Dana Raffaniello" <dpraff DeleteThis @gci.net> continues his campaign of spamming
usenet with copyrighted material:


"Dana" <1> wrote in message news:<1f24454ddcb86190f6d0e52fa53f8b7c DeleteThis @news.meganetnews.com>...
> http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3171.html
> Locke v. Davey: Imposing Secular Dogmatism
> by Bruce Walker
> 26 February 2004

<snip copyrighted propaganda>

Dana again includes his cribbed sig line, plagiarized from
http://snipurl.com/3qrw
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> Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
> ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the
> state at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.

Why do you continue to post unattributed material as your own? Even
CB knows how to cite.
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