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Akneigh Wombuster

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:09 am
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"College Armed"
By Russ Hedston
Lynchburgh Ledger
April 18, 2007, A1


SECESSIA, Va. -- Legislator Sammy Joe Fulbor (R-Lynchburgh Co.) today
requested a special meeting of the Virginia House of Delegates to
consider his bill that would mandate that every student enrolled in
the state's colleges and universities be given a pistol for their
personal protection.

Saying that he was "shaken like a dry martini" by the killings at
Virginia Tech, Fulbor told reporters in his home town here that he and
the National Rifle Association had worked out a plan whereby during
semester registration all Virginia students would be given a small
caliber pistol, ammunition, and a student Certificate of Firearms
Possession.

"A lot of colleges loan their students laptops for their use during
the school term," Fulbor said. "We can do the same with student self-
protection. I've spoken to a lot of students and they tell me they'd
love to have something to protect themselves.

"It is obvious that the only way to prevent the horrific crimes we're
seeing more and more on school campuses is to give our precious
children the means to defend their persons," Fulbor said.

"If that vicious gunman would have been confronted by several armed
students during his rampage, he would've been stopped cold. In fact,
if he'd known his classmates had weapons, he probably would not have
considered his dastardly deeds. Maybe he'd of just committed suicide,
and we'd be done with it."

Benito F. Silentri, vice president of student affairs for the NRA,
accompanied Fulbor at the news briefing, stating, "We've always
supported fully-armed, but also fully-gun-trained youth. The NRA has
never advocated just placing guns in people's hands without their
being knowledgeable about firearms. We'd teach them how to shoot
straight, and shoot first!"

Silentri also told reporters that his organization continues to lobby
to permit the sale of small arms in Virginia convenience stores.

"It just makes sense," Selentri said. "It's been a longtime goal of
the NRA, and I think now we can generate the political support to make
it work in Virginia.

"Think about it. You and your family are headed to the beach or the
park. You want to stock up on soft drinks and snacks. But you know a
lot of armed Virginians will also be going there, and they'll be
consuming alcohol and whatnot. What better way to protect your family
and feel secure than to buy an inexpensive pistol and some ammo to go
with your picnic refreshments! That's confidence, that's
convenience!"

Representative Fulbor, serving his ninth two-year term in the Virginia
House of Delegates, has had tragic personal experience with criminals-
gone-wild.

In 1998, his 14-year-old niece Silki was shot and killed by an
intruder who broke into Fulbor's house while he was baby-sitting his
niece.

"We were in the bedroom and I was reading her some D.H. Lawrence book
when this crazed person of color broke through my front door and
rushed into the room.

"He fired several shots at me as my lovely niece was trying to cover
herself, and a bullet struck her right square in her bosom. I tell
you, it was terrible! She died instantly. What a waste."

"But I pulled my 9mm from my pants on the chair and shot him dead!
That shows what an armed, law-abiding citizen can do to crazed killers
if citizens have a weapon. Our young students should not be denied
the Constitutional right to keep guns in their dorms and cars."

Fulbor said he intends to request a meeting of the state legislature
by next week to take up his bill, No. 139227.

"You haven't heard the last of this. The NRA and I aim to make
Virginia the safest, best-armed state in the Union."

----------------

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MRS. CLEAN

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:18 am
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On Apr 18, 9:09 am, Akneigh Wombuster wrote:
> "College Armed"
> By Russ Hedston
> Lynchburgh Ledger
> April 18, 2007, A1
>
> SECESSIA, Va. -- Legislator Sammy Joe Fulbor (R-Lynchburgh Co.) today
> requested a special meeting of the Virginia House of Delegates to
> consider his bill that would mandate that every student enrolled in
> the state's colleges and universities be given a pistol for their
> personal protection.
>
> Saying that he was "shaken like a dry martini" by the killings at
> Virginia Tech, Fulbor told reporters in his home town here that he and
> the National Rifle Association had worked out a plan whereby during
> semester registration all Virginia students would be given a small
> caliber pistol, ammunition, and a student Certificate of Firearms
> Possession.
>
> "A lot of colleges loan their students laptops for their use during
> the school term," Fulbor said. "We can do the same with student self-
> protection. I've spoken to a lot of students and they tell me they'd
> love to have something to protect themselves.
>
> "It is obvious that the only way to prevent the horrific crimes we're
> seeing more and more on school campuses is to give our precious
> children the means to defend their persons," Fulbor said.
>
> "If that vicious gunman would have been confronted by several armed
> students during his rampage, he would've been stopped cold. In fact,
> if he'd known his classmates had weapons, he probably would not have
> considered his dastardly deeds. Maybe he'd of just committed suicide,
> and we'd be done with it."
>
> Benito F. Silentri, vice president of student affairs for the NRA,
> accompanied Fulbor at the news briefing, stating, "We've always
> supported fully-armed, but also fully-gun-trained youth. The NRA has
> never advocated just placing guns in people's hands without their
> being knowledgeable about firearms. We'd teach them how to shoot
> straight, and shoot first!"
>
> Silentri also told reporters that his organization continues to lobby
> to permit the sale of small arms in Virginia convenience stores.
>
> "It just makes sense," Selentri said. "It's been a longtime goal of
> the NRA, and I think now we can generate the political support to make
> it work in Virginia.
>
> "Think about it. You and your family are headed to the beach or the
> park. You want to stock up on soft drinks and snacks. But you know a
> lot of armed Virginians will also be going there, and they'll be
> consuming alcohol and whatnot. What better way to protect your family
> and feel secure than to buy an inexpensive pistol and some ammo to go
> with your picnic refreshments! That's confidence, that's
> convenience!"
>
> Representative Fulbor, serving his ninth two-year term in the Virginia
> House of Delegates, has had tragic personal experience with criminals-
> gone-wild.
>
> In 1998, his 14-year-old niece Silki was shot and killed by an
> intruder who broke into Fulbor's house while he was baby-sitting his
> niece.
>
> "We were in the bedroom and I was reading her some D.H. Lawrence book
> when this crazed person of color broke through my front door and
> rushed into the room.
>
> "He fired several shots at me as my lovely niece was trying to cover
> herself, and a bullet struck her right square in her bosom. I tell
> you, it was terrible! She died instantly. What a waste."
>
> "But I pulled my 9mm from my pants on the chair and shot him dead!
> That shows what an armed, law-abiding citizen can do to crazed killers
> if citizens have a weapon. Our young students should not be denied
> the Constitutional right to keep guns in their dorms and cars."
>
> Fulbor said he intends to request a meeting of the state legislature
> by next week to take up his bill, No. 139227.
>
> "You haven't heard the last of this. The NRA and I aim to make
> Virginia the safest, best-armed state in the Union."
>
> ----------------

An armed society is a polite society.

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KlugeHans

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:59 pm
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In article , "MRS.
CLEAN" wrote:


>
> An armed society is a polite society.

"good guns make good neighbours"
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:45 pm
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On Apr 18, 12:18 pm, "MRS. CLEAN" wrote:
> On Apr 18, 9:09 am, Akneigh Wombuster wrote:
>
>
>
> > "College Armed"
> > By Russ Hedston
> > Lynchburgh Ledger
> > April 18, 2007, A1
>
> > SECESSIA, Va. -- Legislator Sammy Joe Fulbor (R-Lynchburgh Co.) today
> > requested a special meeting of the Virginia House of Delegates to
> > consider his bill that would mandate that every student enrolled in
> > the state's colleges and universities be given a pistol for their
> > personal protection.
>
> > Saying that he was "shaken like a dry martini" by the killings at
> > Virginia Tech, Fulbor told reporters in his home town here that he and
> > the National Rifle Association had worked out a plan whereby during
> > semester registration all Virginia students would be given a small
> > caliber pistol, ammunition, and a student Certificate of Firearms
> > Possession.
>
> > "A lot of colleges loan their students laptops for their use during
> > the school term," Fulbor said. "We can do the same with student self-
> > protection. I've spoken to a lot of students and they tell me they'd
> > love to have something to protect themselves.
>
> > "It is obvious that the only way to prevent the horrific crimes we're
> > seeing more and more on school campuses is to give our precious
> > children the means to defend their persons," Fulbor said.
>
> > "If that vicious gunman would have been confronted by several armed
> > students during his rampage, he would've been stopped cold. In fact,
> > if he'd known his classmates had weapons, he probably would not have
> > considered his dastardly deeds. Maybe he'd of just committed suicide,
> > and we'd be done with it."
>
> > Benito F. Silentri, vice president of student affairs for the NRA,
> > accompanied Fulbor at the news briefing, stating, "We've always
> > supported fully-armed, but also fully-gun-trained youth. The NRA has
> > never advocated just placing guns in people's hands without their
> > being knowledgeable about firearms. We'd teach them how to shoot
> > straight, and shoot first!"
>
> > Silentri also told reporters that his organization continues to lobby
> > to permit the sale of small arms in Virginia convenience stores.
>
> > "It just makes sense," Selentri said. "It's been a longtime goal of
> > the NRA, and I think now we can generate the political support to make
> > it work in Virginia.
>
> > "Think about it. You and your family are headed to the beach or the
> > park. You want to stock up on soft drinks and snacks. But you know a
> > lot of armed Virginians will also be going there, and they'll be
> > consuming alcohol and whatnot. What better way to protect your family
> > and feel secure than to buy an inexpensive pistol and some ammo to go
> > with your picnic refreshments! That's confidence, that's
> > convenience!"
>
> > Representative Fulbor, serving his ninth two-year term in the Virginia
> > House of Delegates, has had tragic personal experience with criminals-
> > gone-wild.
>
> > In 1998, his 14-year-old niece Silki was shot and killed by an
> > intruder who broke into Fulbor's house while he was baby-sitting his
> > niece.
>
> > "We were in the bedroom and I was reading her some D.H. Lawrence book
> > when this crazed person of color broke through my front door and
> > rushed into the room.
>
> > "He fired several shots at me as my lovely niece was trying to cover
> > herself, and a bullet struck her right square in her bosom. I tell
> > you, it was terrible! She died instantly. What a waste."
>
> > "But I pulled my 9mm from my pants on the chair and shot him dead!
> > That shows what an armed, law-abiding citizen can do to crazed killers
> > if citizens have a weapon. Our young students should not be denied
> > the Constitutional right to keep guns in their dorms and cars."
>
> > Fulbor said he intends to request a meeting of the state legislature
> > by next week to take up his bill, No. 139227.
>
> > "You haven't heard the last of this. The NRA and I aim to make
> > Virginia the safest, best-armed state in the Union."
>
> > ----------------
>
> An armed society is a polite society.

Surely there exists another opinion. At Emanuel College, a women's
college in Boston, a professor expressing a pro-gun point of view led
his class through a reenactment of the incident at VT. He was sent a
letter barring him from college grounds and buikdings, and
instructions on filing for unemployment were enclosed.

David Ames
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NapalmHeart

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:50 pm
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"David Ames" wrote in message

> On Apr 18, 12:18 pm, "MRS. CLEAN"
> wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 9:09 am, Akneigh Wombuster
>> wrote:
>> > ----------------
>>
>> An armed society is a polite society.
>
> Surely there exists another opinion. At Emanuel College,
> a women's
> college in Boston, a professor expressing a pro-gun point
> of view led
> his class through a reenactment of the incident at VT. He
> was sent a
> letter barring him from college grounds and buikdings, and
> instructions on filing for unemployment were enclosed.
>
> David Ames
>
>

It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel
College. I have to wonder how many other rights they don't
care for on that campus.

Ken
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:45 pm
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"NapalmHeart" wrote in message

>
> "David Ames" wrote in message
>
>> On Apr 18, 12:18 pm, "MRS. CLEAN" wrote:
>>> On Apr 18, 9:09 am, Akneigh Wombuster wrote:
>>> > ----------------
>>>
>>> An armed society is a polite society.
>>
>> Surely there exists another opinion. At Emanuel College, a women's
>> college in Boston, a professor expressing a pro-gun point of view led
>> his class through a reenactment of the incident at VT. He was sent a
>> letter barring him from college grounds and buikdings, and
>> instructions on filing for unemployment were enclosed.
>>
>> David Ames
>>
>>
>
> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel College. I have to
> wonder how many other rights they don't care for on that campus.
>


Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say anything you want at
work and your employer can't fire you for it. How insane.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:55 pm
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(Bo Raxo) wrote in


> "NapalmHeart" wrote in message
>
>
>> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel College. I
>> have to wonder how many other rights they don't care for on that
>> campus.
>
> Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say anything you
> want at work and your employer can't fire you for it. How insane.

However, members of the chattering classes have 'til now always
supported their idea of "academic freedom", which allows professors
and instructors to say or do anything in their classes, regardless of
how outrageous they might be, without fear of repercussion.

Why the change of heart for this single incident?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:33 pm
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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message

> (Bo Raxo) wrote in
>
>
>> "NapalmHeart" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel College. I
>>> have to wonder how many other rights they don't care for on that
>>> campus.
>>
>> Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say anything you
>> want at work and your employer can't fire you for it. How insane.
>
> However, members of the chattering classes have 'til now always
> supported their idea of "academic freedom", which allows professors
> and instructors to say or do anything in their classes, regardless of
> how outrageous they might be, without fear of repercussion.
>
> Why the change of heart for this single incident?
>


There's a big difference between "say anything" and "do anything", you're
mistaken in confusing the two. There have always been limitations on
acceptable behavior. Recreating something that traumatic seems to cross the
line for these people. Personally, I think it's silly they fired him for
that. But the first poster was as I pointed out confusing free speech with
employment, you're conflating academic freedom with some kind of absolute
freedom.

Have a professor argue in favor of, say, child molesting and child
pornography, take a guess as to how long he or she would be employed.
Sleeping with a student will get you fired in many places, the notion that
they could "do anything" under the rubric of academic freedom is ridiculous.
I don't know where you went to college, I went to the most liberal place on
earth (UC Berkeley), and instructors did have restrictions on what they
could and could not do. If they'd spouted, say, racist views, they would be
headed for the door.


Bo Raxo
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:45 pm
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In article ,
"Bo Raxo" wrote:

> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message
>
> > (Bo Raxo) wrote in
> >
> >
> >> "NapalmHeart" wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel College. I
> >>> have to wonder how many other rights they don't care for on that
> >>> campus.
> >>
> >> Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say anything you
> >> want at work and your employer can't fire you for it. How insane.
> >
> > However, members of the chattering classes have 'til now always
> > supported their idea of "academic freedom", which allows professors
> > and instructors to say or do anything in their classes, regardless of
> > how outrageous they might be, without fear of repercussion.
> >
> > Why the change of heart for this single incident?
> >
>
>
> There's a big difference between "say anything" and "do anything", you're
> mistaken in confusing the two. There have always been limitations on
> acceptable behavior. Recreating something that traumatic seems to cross the
> line for these people. Personally, I think it's silly they fired him for
> that. But the first poster was as I pointed out confusing free speech with
> employment, you're conflating academic freedom with some kind of absolute
> freedom.
>
> Have a professor argue in favor of, say, child molesting and child
> pornography, take a guess as to how long he or she would be employed.
> Sleeping with a student will get you fired in many places, the notion that
> they could "do anything" under the rubric of academic freedom is ridiculous.
> I don't know where you went to college, I went to the most liberal place on
> earth (UC Berkeley), and instructors did have restrictions on what they
> could and could not do. If they'd spouted, say, racist views, they would be
> headed for the door.


Pedophilia? Racism? Pornography? You find these to be a fair
comparison?

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:39 pm
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"ray" wrote in message

> In article ,
> "Bo Raxo" wrote:
>
>> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message
>>
>> > (Bo Raxo) wrote in
>> >
>> >
>> >> "NapalmHeart" wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel College. I
>> >>> have to wonder how many other rights they don't care for on that
>> >>> campus.
>> >>
>> >> Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say anything you
>> >> want at work and your employer can't fire you for it. How insane.
>> >
>> > However, members of the chattering classes have 'til now always
>> > supported their idea of "academic freedom", which allows professors
>> > and instructors to say or do anything in their classes, regardless of
>> > how outrageous they might be, without fear of repercussion.
>> >
>> > Why the change of heart for this single incident?
>> >
>>
>>
>> There's a big difference between "say anything" and "do anything", you're
>> mistaken in confusing the two. There have always been limitations on
>> acceptable behavior. Recreating something that traumatic seems to cross
>> the
>> line for these people. Personally, I think it's silly they fired him for
>> that. But the first poster was as I pointed out confusing free speech
>> with
>> employment, you're conflating academic freedom with some kind of absolute
>> freedom.
>>
>> Have a professor argue in favor of, say, child molesting and child
>> pornography, take a guess as to how long he or she would be employed.
>> Sleeping with a student will get you fired in many places, the notion
>> that
>> they could "do anything" under the rubric of academic freedom is
>> ridiculous.
>> I don't know where you went to college, I went to the most liberal place
>> on
>> earth (UC Berkeley), and instructors did have restrictions on what they
>> could and could not do. If they'd spouted, say, racist views, they would
>> be
>> headed for the door.
>
>
> Pedophilia? Racism? Pornography? You find these to be a fair
> comparison?
>

No idiot, I find them examples of how freedom of academic speech is not
absolute. Are you always this stupid?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:07 pm
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In article ,
"Bo Raxo" wrote:

> "ray" wrote in message
>
> > In article ,
> > "Bo Raxo" wrote:
> >
> >> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message
> >>
> >> > (Bo Raxo) wrote in
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> "NapalmHeart" wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel College. I
> >> >>> have to wonder how many other rights they don't care for on that
> >> >>> campus.
> >> >>
> >> >> Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say anything you
> >> >> want at work and your employer can't fire you for it. How insane.
> >> >
> >> > However, members of the chattering classes have 'til now always
> >> > supported their idea of "academic freedom", which allows professors
> >> > and instructors to say or do anything in their classes, regardless of
> >> > how outrageous they might be, without fear of repercussion.
> >> >
> >> > Why the change of heart for this single incident?
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> There's a big difference between "say anything" and "do anything", you're
> >> mistaken in confusing the two. There have always been limitations on
> >> acceptable behavior. Recreating something that traumatic seems to cross
> >> the
> >> line for these people. Personally, I think it's silly they fired him for
> >> that. But the first poster was as I pointed out confusing free speech
> >> with
> >> employment, you're conflating academic freedom with some kind of absolute
> >> freedom.
> >>
> >> Have a professor argue in favor of, say, child molesting and child
> >> pornography, take a guess as to how long he or she would be employed.
> >> Sleeping with a student will get you fired in many places, the notion
> >> that
> >> they could "do anything" under the rubric of academic freedom is
> >> ridiculous.
> >> I don't know where you went to college, I went to the most liberal place
> >> on
> >> earth (UC Berkeley), and instructors did have restrictions on what they
> >> could and could not do. If they'd spouted, say, racist views, they would
> >> be
> >> headed for the door.
> >
> >
> > Pedophilia? Racism? Pornography? You find these to be a fair
> > comparison?
> >
>
> No idiot, I find them examples of how freedom of academic speech is not
> absolute. Are you always this stupid?


I'm sorry, I thought I was having a conversation with an adult.
Obviously, that is not the case. You're just another one of those
internet tough guys who can only insult people online because you don't
have the balls to talk to anybody like that face to face. Of course,
then you wouldn't have a face.

But don't bother to reply, you have been killfiled. I don't even try to
have conversations with gutless nerds such as yourself.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:28 am
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"Bo Raxo" wrote in message

>
> "NapalmHeart" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "David Ames" wrote in message
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 12:18 pm, "MRS. CLEAN"
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 18, 9:09 am, Akneigh Wombuster
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > ----------------
>>>>
>>>> An armed society is a polite society.
>>>
>>> Surely there exists another opinion. At Emanuel
>>> College, a women's
>>> college in Boston, a professor expressing a pro-gun
>>> point of view led
>>> his class through a reenactment of the incident at VT.
>>> He was sent a
>>> letter barring him from college grounds and buikdings,
>>> and
>>> instructions on filing for unemployment were enclosed.
>>>
>>> David Ames
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It seems that free speech is not respected at Emanuel
>> College. I have to wonder how many other rights they
>> don't care for on that campus.
>>
>
>
> Apparently you think "free speech" means you can say
> anything you want at work and your employer can't fire you
> for it. How insane.
>
Apparently you don't know what you're talking about. How
stupid.
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