John wrote:
>On Oct 14, 4:18 am, The_Carpathia wrote:
>> A few additions to the former post, below...
>>health care
>> for everyone,
>
>Please find a cite where Obama says he will provide health care for
>"everyone." You can't because you're a liar.
Indeed, I believe that one of Hillary's issues with Obama's health
plan was specifically that it did NOT ensure health care for everyone.
Still, one has to acknowledge that Obama said that health care is a
"right". But then so did Ronald Reagan, and every other American
president who acknowledged and endorsed the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights 60 years ago.
You know, the one that says such things like
<Article 5.
<No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading
< treatment or punishment.
<
<Article 8.
<Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent
< national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted
< him by the constitution or by law.
<
<Article 9.
<No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
<
<Article 10.
<Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by
< an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his
< rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
<
<Article 23.
<(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to
< just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
<
<(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay
< for equal work.
<
<(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable
< remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy
< of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of
< social protection.
<
<(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the
< protection of his interests.
and of course the relevant clause:
<Article 25.
<(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
< health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
< clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and
^^^^^^^^^^^^
< the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness,
< disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in
< circumstances beyond his control.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2144_v89/ai_7537759/pg...?tag=ar
< Proclamation 5921
<Now, 200 years later, the Universal Declaration, enshrining many of
< the principles of our Founders, has become that worldwide Bill of
< Rights. Elaborating such a list of basic rights was one of the first
< tasks undertaken by the new United Nations Organization; the Chair of
< the drafting committee was Eleanor Roosevelt, who was later nominated
< for a Nobel Peace Prize for this work. Urging adoption of the
< Universal Declaration, thenSecretary of State George C. Marshall told
< the United Nations that "denials of basic human rights lie at the
< root of most of our troubles. . . . Governments which systematically
< disregard the rights of their own people," he said, "are not likely
< to respect the rights of other nations and other people." He called
< for adoption of the Universal Declaration as "a standard of conduct
< for us all."
<The Universal Declaration, like our own Bill of Rights, starts from
< the premises that civil liberties and political freedom are the
< birthright of all mankind and that all of us are equal in the eyes of
< the law. Like our own Declaration of Independence, it also makes the
< inescapable connection between freedom, human rights, and government
< by the consent of the governed
<We are proud that the truths expressed by our Founding
< Fathers-America's source of strength, stability, and authority for
< more than 2 centuries-have also provided a standard for liberty and
< the rule of law emulated in dozens of other countries as well.
<Nevertheless, many individuals and nations do not enjoy the rights
< enumerated in our Constitution and in the Universal Declaration. Some
< governments voice ringing guarantees but fall far short in practice.
< Some, such as Communist regimes, wrongly subordinate fundamental
< rights to other goals. These goals are often defined by political
< groups or parties that claim to know what is best for the individual
< and for peoples subject to their control. Fundamental goals-free
< elections and due process-are concepts not welcomed by dictators of
< any ideological or political stripe.
<Despite this entrenched resistance of tyrants to practical guarantees
< of liberty, the Universal Declaration has done much to promote
< observance of human rights around the world. Over the past decade in
< particular we have seen great strides.
<...
<IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 8th day of
< December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundren and eighty-eight,
< and of the Independence of the United States of America the two
< hundred and thirteenth.
<
<RONALD REAGAN
Ronald Reagan asserted a belief in the Human Rights of the
Declaration, as quoted above, both the sections quoted and not quoted.
The current administration clearly does not accept the quoted
sections, and John McCain has refused to endorse specific rights,
specifically including the one on medical care as a right.
>>government purchase of private banks,
>
>Which your administration is already doing so how is it Obama's idea?
Government is not "purchasing banks". It is loaning money to banks in
return for an equity share in those banks, which remain private
institutions under shareholder control, accepting only a couple of
restrictions such as the cap on executive salaries, until the loans
are paid back.
Furthermore, government did this before, during the Depression, and we
didn't end up a socialist state then, nor did the government retain
ownership of those banks.
Even more drastically, the United States COMPLETELY nationalized ALL
railroads in the US in 1917 for the duration of the war. That was the
year of the Russian revolution, but we did not end up a socialist
state as a result, and the railroads were returned to private
ownership and control after the war ended.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab.DeleteThis@lojban.org Lojban language
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