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Jingo

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(Msg. 121) Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:58 am
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David Lentz

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(Msg. 122) Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:37 am
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"Jingo" <Jingo.RemoveThis@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:47:45 GMT, "David Lentz"
> <dlentz10.RemoveThis@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Jingo" <Jingo.RemoveThis@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
> >news:q77db0t3liio9a3e3j15c1tc3jul2gltlm@4ax.com
> >
> ><snip>...
> >
> >> >The ultimate meaning of the Constitution is not the intention of its
> >authors
> >> >but rather the perception of the public who ratified it at the time of
> >> >ratification.
> >>
> >> The people who thought women should not vote and that slaves were
> >> 3/5th of a person?
> >>
> >> I'll ask again. Where do you get this ignorance nonsense, Dave?
> >
> >At the time the Constitution was ratified women could not vote. You
don't
> >have to approve of such an attitude. You only have to recognize the
legal
> >ideas which existed circa 1799.
>
> The Constitution was written in 1789, Dave.
>
> >As for the canard that the Constitution considered slaves to be three
fifths
> >of a person, that is ignorant rubbish.
>
> You really should look into that basic political science course, Dave.
>
> http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/slavery2.html

Did the above author intend to make a point?

David

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(Msg. 123) Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:37 am
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On Fri, 28 May 2004 22:37:01 GMT, "David Lentz"
<dlentz10 RemoveThis @rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>
>"Jingo" <Jingo RemoveThis @AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
>news:c6dfb09k2i92iso8042n2l800740b91g11@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:47:45 GMT, "David Lentz"
>> <dlentz10 RemoveThis @rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Jingo" <Jingo RemoveThis @AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
>> >news:q77db0t3liio9a3e3j15c1tc3jul2gltlm@4ax.com
>> >
>> ><snip>...
>> >
>> >> >The ultimate meaning of the Constitution is not the intention of its
>> >authors
>> >> >but rather the perception of the public who ratified it at the time of
>> >> >ratification.
>> >>
>> >> The people who thought women should not vote and that slaves were
>> >> 3/5th of a person?
>> >>
>> >> I'll ask again. Where do you get this ignorance nonsense, Dave?
>> >
>> >At the time the Constitution was ratified women could not vote. You
>don't
>> >have to approve of such an attitude. You only have to recognize the
>legal
>> >ideas which existed circa 1799.
>>
>> The Constitution was written in 1789, Dave.
>>
>> >As for the canard that the Constitution considered slaves to be three
>fifths
>> >of a person, that is ignorant rubbish.
>>
>> You really should look into that basic political science course, Dave.
>>
>> http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/slavery2.html
>
>Did the above author intend to make a point?

Nah. You made it for him.
>
>David
>

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(Msg. 124) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:33 am
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(Msg. 125) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:38 am
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(Msg. 126) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:17 pm
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"zepp" <zeppnospam.DeleteThis@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:19 GMT, "Russell Keller"
> <524design.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> Because the ONLY thing "harmed" is YOUR interpretation of the
> >> constitution and law.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Becarefull what you wish for. Bush is in office because of the liberal
> >abstract thinking of the the living constitution.
>
> The electoral college is liberal abstract thinking?
>
> Or where you refering to that well-known liberal abstractionist,
> Antonin Scalia, when he preempted a power expressly given to the
> states?

I was refering to the tool used by Scalia and others created by that
abstract thinking. The warped 14th Amendment. The only differance is who
is using those tools now. Conservatives have finally accepted the fact that
under the liberal definition of the constitution, anything can be passed or
done and they're using it now. Which is much more dangerous than only one
side abusing the authority now both are.
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(Msg. 127) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:17 pm
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 20:17:43 GMT, "Russell Keller"
<russkeller-no-spam-.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"zepp" <zeppnospam.DeleteThis@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>news:r4qab0tsfol6vcfo8uq7b0smp7t43tjv8d@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:19 GMT, "Russell Keller"
>> <524design.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Because the ONLY thing "harmed" is YOUR interpretation of the
>> >> constitution and law.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Becarefull what you wish for. Bush is in office because of the liberal
>> >abstract thinking of the the living constitution.
>>
>> The electoral college is liberal abstract thinking?
>>
>> Or where you refering to that well-known liberal abstractionist,
>> Antonin Scalia, when he preempted a power expressly given to the
>> states?
>
>I was refering to the tool used by Scalia and others created by that
>abstract thinking. The warped 14th Amendment. The only differance is who
>is using those tools now. Conservatives have finally accepted the fact that
>under the liberal definition of the constitution, anything can be passed or
>done and they're using it now. Which is much more dangerous than only one
>side abusing the authority now both are.

Scaly didn't cite the 14th. He just went ahead and did as he damned
well pleased. His only explanation was that a full recount would
"irreperably harm the Bush campaign".
>

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(Msg. 128) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:27 am
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Jingo wrote:


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> Jingo
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nice links - many good songs there!



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As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances,
there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it
is in such
twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air -- however
slight -lest we
become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)


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"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.

"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter

"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.

"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister

"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99

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"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.

"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
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Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
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and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04

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obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
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moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
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"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
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every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
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of freedom."
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RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?

BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.

RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?

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do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04


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I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04


"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
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"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
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conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001


"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."

"He threatens not the United States."

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keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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