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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:45 am
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"Clayton Bush City Limits" <cjfat RemoveThis @SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote in message
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> "Cary Kittrell" <cary RemoveThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>> Now admittedly atheists are the runt of the demographic litter in
>> this country, but nonetheless I personally cannot recall having
>> been subjected to anything I could describe as more than mildly
>> annoying on account of to my atheism.
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> Really...I don't even live in the US and I've received a dozen personal
> death threats, had a girl break up with me because I was an atheist, lost
> out on a chance at a government job because their "personality profile"
> took
> points off my score for not believing in god and have been accused of
> potentially being everything from a liar and a pervert to a mass murderer
> for no other reason than I am an atheist!
That's just not right - Thank goodness I apparently live in a bit more
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:09 pm
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In article <42531531$0$5594$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> "Clayton Bush City Limits" <cjfat.TakeThisOut@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> writes:
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> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.TakeThisOut@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> > Now admittedly atheists are the runt of the demographic litter in
> > this country, but nonetheless I personally cannot recall having
> > been subjected to anything I could describe as more than mildly
> > annoying on account of to my atheism.
>
> Really...I don't even live in the US and I've received a dozen personal
> death threats, had a girl break up with me because I was an atheist, lost
> out on a chance at a government job because their "personality profile" took
> points off my score for not believing in god and have been accused of
> potentially being everything from a liar and a pervert to a mass murderer
> for no other reason than I am an atheist!
Well, yeah, but you're The Clayton, so of course will you an
extra cross to bear. So to speak.
Sincerely: really? Death threats? I had the impression that
outside of a few offshore pockets of contagion, fundamentalist
Christianity was mostly a U.S. phenomenon... but Oz? I am
amazed.
As to the girlfriend part, that I can imagine. In fact, the
two most significant, long-term, and all-around wonderful
girlfriends I had in high school and then in college were
people whose religion was centrally important to them.
In fact, both went on to marry ministers. (yes, I do appear
to be an asymptomatic carrier) So for all our sakes I'm glad things
worked out as they did. Or didn't work out as they did.
On the other hand, my mother was quite devout, and we all
went to Church every single Sunday -- and it wasn't until
after she died that I found out that my father had been
going along purely out of love for her; he had no belief
himself. Greater love...
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:11 pm
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In article <dl6651d944usgepgga39jltal2pa02jntd.RemoveThis@4ax.com> John Baker <nunya.RemoveThis@bizniz.net> writes:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:50:47 -0800, "Dana" <anon.RemoveThis@noneya.com> wrote:
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> >"Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> >news:d2uho7$jr3$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> >> ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
> >>
> >>
> >> Atheists roll their eyes,
> >
> >Atheists are foolish cowards.
> >They are a bunch of sheep.
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> Hello, Mr. Pot.
Actually in The Anonymous Dana's case, it's more like
Pot, Alabaster, Black.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:15 pm
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In article <115671gog1hdhf2.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com> "Dave Thompson" <abre.RemoveThis@thedoor.com> writes:
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> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:d2umir$irn$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > In article <1155ljc5sp50540.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com> "Dave Thompson"
> > <abre.RemoveThis@thedoor.com> writes:
> >>
> >> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:d2uho7$jr3$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> >> > ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
> >> >
> > {...}
> >> >
> >> > But maybe I'm atypical? I've spent most of my life in academia,
> >> > and even when I was in industry I was surrounded by very bright
> >> > people, and in my experience there tends to be a high correlation
> >> > between intelligence and tolerance. So maybe I've simply led a
> >> > sheltered and (you should pardon the word) blessed existence?
> >> >
> >> > I'd like some feedback from other atheists on what they see as
> >> > oppression -- or lack thereof -- in this country.
> >> >
> >> > Personal anecdotes are MUCH preferred over impersonal
> >> > observations such as "No atheist could get elected president".
> >> > I would like to hear how hard -- or easy -- it's been for you
> >> > personally to be an atheist.
> >>
> >> Please consider including us poor put-upon agnostics who have to endure
> >> good
> >> christians telling us and others that agnostics simply don't know about
> >> god
> >> yet and are just empty vessels awaiting the word to be poured in.
> >
> > Ah, of course. Good point. I'm interesting in hearing from
> > the unfaithful of all flavors (particularly as, just like
> > believers we often enough disagree on what we, and others,
> > should be described as)
>
> I forgot to add that many times Christians lump us agnostics in with the
> atheists for simplicity of argument an villification.
>
> The worst that's happened to me was a very loud argument with a very
> condescending woman who insisted on speaking for me and putting words in my
> mouth regarding my agnostic status.
>
> When I said I was an agnostic during a party, she piped in rather arrogantly
> that agnostics are just people who don't know god, and that if only we were
> properly witnessed to that we would eventually come around. I started off
> correcting her politely enough, but she kept insisting that I was wrong
> about my own beliefs and told me what I really believed, no matter what I
> claimed to believe. I'm sure many people have encountered this type on the
> web but few are lucky enough to meet one in the flesh.
>
> Needless to say, it got ugly after that. She got a rather long rant about
> how I felt that made her trot outside and avoid me for the rest of the
> evening. I recieved several compliments for putting her in her place and
> none criticizing me.
I can well imagine. Who wants to put up with THAT sort of thing
at a social gathering, no matter what your own beliefs.
>
> Another time my brother in law angrily left our house during what was
> supposed to be a weekend visit because we refused to accept a loving god
> into our hearts, and emailed every one of his siblings with a diatribe
> describing us as hateful and suggesting that we were abusing our children by
> not ministering his beliefs in Jesus to them.
>
> We later rented that same house to that same brother in law, and he repaid
> us by claiming the house had demons, staging a prayer marathon to drive them
> out, and then breaking the lease.
Casting out the contract in Jesus' name? There's a novel legal
maneuver.
>
> Another brother in law was getting married, and his then fiance who is
> happily non-religious was invited to her future mother in law's house to
> supposedly make wedding announcements. Upon arrival she found it was a ruse
> and she was going to be subjected to a gang conversion by the members of her
> MiL's reformationist catholic church. They blocked the door while insisting
> she accept Jesus and when she got out they blocked her car. She had to call
> her fiance to get him to get her out.
>
>
Simpy amazing...
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:29 pm
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"Dana" <anon.RemoveThis@noneya.com> wrote in message
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> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>> ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
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>> Atheists roll their eyes,
>
> Atheists are foolish cowards.
> They are a bunch of sheep.
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Yeah that's why I know so many atheists and so few christians
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:21 pm
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
> "Abner Mintz" <abnermintz.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>"Cary Kittrell" <cary.TakeThisOut@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
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>>>>Ever consider becoming a supporting member of NPR, and
>>>>thus fully sealing your doom for eternity?
>>
>>Dave Thompson <abre.TakeThisOut@thedoor.com> wrote:
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>>>You forgot the ACLU.
>>
>>I don't listen to NPR (I much prefer rock and roll  ), but I
>> was a card-carrying member of the ACLU until very
>> recently, and intend to be so again once I've found a
>> better-paying job.
>
>
> I prefer rock music, too
I prefer classical guitar music, but strangely, I don't like listening
to it, just playing it.
> - '50s, '60's, '70s, '80s, some '90s. I
> became an oldie myself in the '90's when I realized I'd lost
> touch with the current music. It wasn't intentional. It just
> happened. I ran to the classical rock stations when a friend
> of mine (who was and still is a Led Zep fan) told me that her
> big music thing now was modern jazz. Yikes! That's like
> New Age elevator muzak. Jazz ain't jazz anymore. At least,
> the stuff she calls jazz.
Urghh !
--
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'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:21 pm
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"Jez" <iced_spear.DeleteThis@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
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: Michelle Malkin wrote:
: > "Abner Mintz" <abnermintz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[snip]
: > I prefer rock music, too
:
: I prefer classical guitar music, but strangely, I don't like
listening
: to it, just playing it.
Anybody ever tell you that you're weird?
: > - '50s, '60's, '70s, '80s, some '90s. I
: > became an oldie myself in the '90's when I realized I'd lost
: > touch with the current music. It wasn't intentional. It just
: > happened. I ran to the classical rock stations when a friend
: > of mine (who was and still is a Led Zep fan) told me that her
: > big music thing now was modern jazz. Yikes! That's like
: > New Age elevator muzak. Jazz ain't jazz anymore. At least,
: > the stuff she calls jazz.
"I've got no kick against modern jazz
Unless they try to play it too darn fast
And change the beauty of the melody
Until they sound just like a symphony
That's why I go for that that rock and roll music"
: Urghh !
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:37 am
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:15:24 -0500, Cary Kittrell wrote
> In article <115671gog1hdhf2 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com> "Dave Thompson"
> <abre DeleteThis @thedoor.com> writes:
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>> "Cary Kittrell" <cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>> news:d2umir$irn$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>>> In article <1155ljc5sp50540 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com> "Dave Thompson"
>>> <abre DeleteThis @thedoor.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "Cary Kittrell" <cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:d2uho7$jr3$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>>>>> ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
>>>>>
>>> {...}
>>>>>
>>>>> But maybe I'm atypical? I've spent most of my life in academia,
>>>>> and even when I was in industry I was surrounded by very bright
>>>>> people, and in my experience there tends to be a high correlation
>>>>> between intelligence and tolerance. So maybe I've simply led a
>>>>> sheltered and (you should pardon the word) blessed existence?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like some feedback from other atheists on what they see as
>>>>> oppression -- or lack thereof -- in this country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personal anecdotes are MUCH preferred over impersonal
>>>>> observations such as "No atheist could get elected president".
>>>>> I would like to hear how hard -- or easy -- it's been for you
>>>>> personally to be an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> Please consider including us poor put-upon agnostics who have to endure
>>>> good
>>>> christians telling us and others that agnostics simply don't know about
>>>> god
>>>> yet and are just empty vessels awaiting the word to be poured in.
>>>
>>> Ah, of course. Good point. I'm interesting in hearing from
>>> the unfaithful of all flavors (particularly as, just like
>>> believers we often enough disagree on what we, and others,
>>> should be described as)
>>
>> I forgot to add that many times Christians lump us agnostics in with the
>> atheists for simplicity of argument an villification.
>>
>> The worst that's happened to me was a very loud argument with a very
>> condescending woman who insisted on speaking for me and putting words in my
>> mouth regarding my agnostic status.
>>
>> When I said I was an agnostic during a party, she piped in rather
>> arrogantly
>> that agnostics are just people who don't know god, and that if only we were
>> properly witnessed to that we would eventually come around. I started off
>> correcting her politely enough, but she kept insisting that I was wrong
>> about my own beliefs and told me what I really believed, no matter what I
>> claimed to believe. I'm sure many people have encountered this type on the
>> web but few are lucky enough to meet one in the flesh.
>>
>> Needless to say, it got ugly after that. She got a rather long rant about
>> how I felt that made her trot outside and avoid me for the rest of the
>> evening. I recieved several compliments for putting her in her place and
>> none criticizing me.
>
> I can well imagine. Who wants to put up with THAT sort of thing
> at a social gathering, no matter what your own beliefs.
>
>>
>> Another time my brother in law angrily left our house during what was
>> supposed to be a weekend visit because we refused to accept a loving god
>> into our hearts, and emailed every one of his siblings with a diatribe
>> describing us as hateful and suggesting that we were abusing our children
>> by
>> not ministering his beliefs in Jesus to them.
>>
>> We later rented that same house to that same brother in law, and he repaid
>> us by claiming the house had demons, staging a prayer marathon to drive
>> them
>> out, and then breaking the lease.
>
> Casting out the contract in Jesus' name? There's a novel legal
> maneuver.
>
>>
>> Another brother in law was getting married, and his then fiance who is
>> happily non-religious was invited to her future mother in law's house to
>> supposedly make wedding announcements. Upon arrival she found it was a ruse
>> and she was going to be subjected to a gang conversion by the members of
>> her
>> MiL's reformationist catholic church. They blocked the door while insisting
>> she accept Jesus and when she got out they blocked her car. She had to call
>> her fiance to get him to get her out.
>>
>>
>
> Simpy amazing...
>
>
> -- cary
>
When I meet folks just movin' down chere, I generally tell
them two things:
1. Don't look for racial prejudice to be worse than from
where you're moving, there's probably less here.
2. Don't think that your religion is your private
business.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:47 am
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary RemoveThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
>
>
> Atheists roll their eyes, and properly so, at the recent trend
> among some -- and I emphasize "some" -- among some Christians to
> portray Christians in America as pitiable beleagured victims of
> oppression and persecution. Never mind that like-minded
> politicians are firmly in control of the government, never mind
> that they have so large a majority that no admitted atheist could
> ever win a major election, never mind tax breaks and legislative
> special rights such as Least Compelling Interest, never mind
> uncounted tens of thousands of freely flourishing churches, never
> mind a culture that will reflexively call for unified prayers to
> God whenever He commits an Act of Himself -- never mind that
> conservative Christians today have a lock on the levers of power
> that Boss Tweed would have admired -- they're still poor, poor
> pitiful victims.
>
> Well, that was fun, and I feel MUCH better now -- but before
> anyone launches a rant: that wasn't what I'd like some feedback
> on. Quite the opposite: I see not infrequent, and rather like-
> sounding claims of victimhood on the part of atheists.
>
> Now admittedly atheists are the runt of the demographic litter in
> this country, but nonetheless I personally cannot recall having
> been subjected to anything I could describe as more than mildly
> annoying on account of to my atheism. And I certainly have
> suffered any dark-of-the-night Southern-gothic incidents.
>
> But maybe I'm atypical? I've spent most of my life in academia,
> and even when I was in industry I was surrounded by very bright
> people, and in my experience there tends to be a high correlation
> between intelligence and tolerance. So maybe I've simply led a
> sheltered and (you should pardon the word) blessed existence?
>
> I'd like some feedback from other atheists on what they see as
> oppression -- or lack thereof -- in this country.
>
> Personal anecdotes are MUCH preferred over impersonal
> observations such as "No atheist could get elected president".
> I would like to hear how hard -- or easy -- it's been for you
> personally to be an atheist.
I live in Raleigh, NC. One of the most gawdly places on earth and I can't
say that I've run into any problems. I've worked mostly with other
engineers and scientists. As someone else had noted, their education and
expertise in the physical sciences does not preclude people from rather
bizarre ideas about nature, outside of their specialty. I've worked with
some real, live creationists for example. I don't announce myself as an
atheist whenever I meet someone new, but I don't hide the fact whatsoever.
The subject has come up a number of times and I've always spoken my mind
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:40 am
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Dana wrote:
> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:d2uho7$jr3$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
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>>...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
>>
>>
>>Atheists roll their eyes,
>
>
> Atheists are foolish cowards.
> They are a bunch of sheep.
>
>
Says the lamb being lead by the nose.
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than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Jez wrote:
>I prefer classical guitar music, but strangely, I don't like listening
>to it, just playing it.
I'm the same way. I studied violin - and later viola - for 20 years.
Played about all the symphonic/classical music that exists. But I
prefer to listen to classic rock, and that seems to upset people. They
don't seem to grok the fact that once you've played
symphonic/classical, listening to it isn't that enjoyable. If I *do*
end up having to listen to it, I just hear all the mistakes made by the
strings sections.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
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Ghod wrote:
> "Jez" <iced_spear.DeleteThis@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
> news:0oWdndiB7tc8q8nfRVnysw@pipex.net...
> : Michelle Malkin wrote:
> : > "Abner Mintz" <abnermintz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> : > news:1gukcay.634b8svtjvgsN%abnermintz@earthlink.net...
> [snip]
> : > I prefer rock music, too
> :
> : I prefer classical guitar music, but strangely, I don't like
> listening
> : to it, just playing it.
>
> Anybody ever tell you that you're weird?
Urmm, yes, quite often, actually.
>
> : > - '50s, '60's, '70s, '80s, some '90s. I
> : > became an oldie myself in the '90's when I realized I'd lost
> : > touch with the current music. It wasn't intentional. It just
> : > happened. I ran to the classical rock stations when a friend
> : > of mine (who was and still is a Led Zep fan) told me that her
> : > big music thing now was modern jazz. Yikes! That's like
> : > New Age elevator muzak. Jazz ain't jazz anymore. At least,
> : > the stuff she calls jazz.
>
> "I've got no kick against modern jazz
> Unless they try to play it too darn fast
> And change the beauty of the melody
> Until they sound just like a symphony
> That's why I go for that that rock and roll music"
>
> : Urghh !
>
> A Music War!!
Yahhhooooo.....the Zappa riffs will destroy the infidel !!
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:26:31 +0000 (UTC), cary.DeleteThis@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
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>I'd like some feedback from other atheists on what they see as
>oppression -- or lack thereof -- in this country.
>
>Personal anecdotes are MUCH preferred over impersonal
>observations such as "No atheist could get elected president".
>I would like to hear how hard -- or easy -- it's been for you
>personally to be an atheist.
Personally, its been a non-factor and I've lived in different areas of
the country.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:31 pm
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:37:04 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven.DeleteThis@nevermore.com>
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>On 5 Apr 2005 10:56:47 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes.DeleteThis@dakotacom.net> wrote:
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>>Cary Kitterell wrote:
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>>>Atheists roll their eyes, and properly so, at the recent trend
>>>among some -- and I emphasize "some" -- among some
>>>Christians to portray Christians in America as pitiable
>>>beleagured victims of oppression and persecution.
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>>There's nothing "recent" about their persecution complex, Cary. They
>>were lamenting about it 50 years ago when I was an itty bitty theist
>>being dragged to Sunday school and church every week. Being
>>"persecuted" is proof, to them, that they are true followers/believers,
>>because the Bible *says* *so*. Therefore, if they aren't *really*
>>suffering persecution, they aren't true believers. So they howl about
>>persecution that isn't really happening, because they need it to get
>>their heavenly tickets punched.
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>Any US Christian who howls about being "persecuted" needs something
>besides their "heavenly tickets" punched, if you ask me...
No argument.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:33 pm
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:27:49 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13.RemoveThis@yeeehaw9.com> wrote:
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>"Dave Thompson" <abre.RemoveThis@thedoor.com> wrote in message
>news:115671gog1hdhf2@corp.supernews.com...
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>> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>> news:d2umir$irn$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> > In article <1155ljc5sp50540.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com> "Dave Thompson"
>> > <abre.RemoveThis@thedoor.com> writes:
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>> >> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>> >> news:d2uho7$jr3$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> >> > ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
>> >> >
>> > {...}
>> >> >
>> >> > But maybe I'm atypical? I've spent most of my life in academia,
>> >> > and even when I was in industry I was surrounded by very bright
>> >> > people, and in my experience there tends to be a high correlation
>> >> > between intelligence and tolerance. So maybe I've simply led a
>> >> > sheltered and (you should pardon the word) blessed existence?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd like some feedback from other atheists on what they see as
>> >> > oppression -- or lack thereof -- in this country.
>> >> >
>> >> > Personal anecdotes are MUCH preferred over impersonal
>> >> > observations such as "No atheist could get elected president".
>> >> > I would like to hear how hard -- or easy -- it's been for you
>> >> > personally to be an atheist.
>> >>
>> >> Please consider including us poor put-upon agnostics who have to endure
>> >> good
>> >> christians telling us and others that agnostics simply don't know about
>> >> god
>> >> yet and are just empty vessels awaiting the word to be poured in.
>> >
>> > Ah, of course. Good point. I'm interesting in hearing from
>> > the unfaithful of all flavors (particularly as, just like
>> > believers we often enough disagree on what we, and others,
>> > should be described as)
>>
>> I forgot to add that many times Christians lump us agnostics in with the
>> atheists for simplicity of argument an villification.
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>I guess it's only fair.
>
>I have a habit of lumping Christians in with inbreds, bedwetters and
>general-purpose idiots.
MMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHH.
You *are* in Texas, after all.
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