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(Msg. 46) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:47 pm
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:24:04 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
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>Yeah, we atheists are really sheep following a leader, I was an atheist for
>close to 20 years before I ever met another atheist in person, it was at
>least 15 years before I met one online.
Thanks to the McCarthy EraŽ I didn't know I was an atheist until some
time after I had stumbled over this newsgroup. The definition that
had been hammered into me over and over again through the course of
years was; atheist=godless communist. I wasn't a communist, so that
label didn't fit. I wasn't concerned about any label, I wasn't a
theist and that was enough for me.
A couple of years ago, I was invited by the one atheist lady (who's
name just escaped me) and her fiancee to come visit. I also met
Lorilee, another atheist lady. All good folks.
Some time later I happened to mention to Sunny the four of us stopped
somewhere for a bit to eat and the realization hit me. It was the
first time I've ever had lunch with a group of atheists. Strange
feeling.
Sunny was blown away by this tidbit of information which was so
mindblowing she had to double check it. She asked; "Are you telling
me that this is the first time in your many years you've ever sat down
to a meal where the table seated only atheists?
My reply was a simple; "Yes."
I suspect that gave her quite a bit to 'chew on' for a long while.
>Kind of hard to be a follower when you are the only one around, wouldn't you
>say?
>
>That is what gets me about the Dana's of the world, you can't go a mile in
>any village/town/city in most of the western world without stumbling over a
>Christian church of one sort or another and this makes these Christians
>"rugged individuals"?
LMAO!!!! Yeah, sheep are soooo individual. (rolls eyes)
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:49 pm
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:30:51 +0000 (UTC), cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu
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>In article <1155ml2cpm6l96 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com> "Dana" <anon DeleteThis @noneya.com> writes:
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>> "Cary Kittrell" <cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>> > ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
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>> >
>> > Atheists roll their eyes,
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>> Atheists are foolish cowards.
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>So quoth the boy crouching behind both a pseudonym and
>a faked email address...
who advertises for ladies to use him for a human toilet for all bodily
functions.
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:51 pm
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:55:04 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc DeleteThis @mindspring.com>
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>"Cary Kittrell" <cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>> ...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
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>> I'd like some feedback from other atheists on what they see as
>> oppression -- or lack thereof -- in this country.
>>
>> Personal anecdotes are MUCH preferred over impersonal
>> observations such as "No atheist could get elected president".
>> I would like to hear how hard -- or easy -- it's been for you
>> personally to be an atheist.
>>
>>
>> -- cary
>>
>There's plenty of oppression that you would never notice in your academic
>ivory tower. I won't go into it now however, because it's too personal. I
>would have to at least collect some of my thoughts, which are very valuable
>to collectors because of their rarity.
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:53 pm
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:10:03 GMT, abnermintz.RemoveThis@earthlink.net (Abner
Mintz) wrote:
>Well, I have two such anecdotes: First, I was basically driven
> out of the boy scouts after they noticed I wasn't praying when
> they prayed (just standing respectfully until they were done).
> This lead to my being 'outted' as an atheist, which was followed
> by proselytization attempts, followed by such nastiness as
> pouring water in my bedroll when I was off gathering wood
> during a winter hike, etc. I was made to feel unwelcome, with
> the scoutmaster completely in cahoots, so I left.
>
>More seriously, I once was in a position where I was assaulted
> for being an atheist. A Christian complemented me on what
> a good Christian I was, and I made the mistake of mentioning
> that I am an atheist, not a Christian. Next thing I knew, he
> grabbed onto my arm and declared that he wasn't going to
> let go until I converted. He got increasingly angry as I
> wouldn't convert. When he yelled 'What do I have to do to
> get you to accept Jesus, leave you lying beaten and bloody
> until you see him for yourself?!?' I wrenched myself free
> and ran for it. (And had the police have a talk with the guy
> - which, I fully admit, they did promptly and effectively; he
> never even came near me again.)
>
>That said, I am not claiming that these events make me
> 'persecuted'. They were unpleasant, they were examples
> of dealing with bigotry and/or violence ... but I don't think
> them to be so unusual that I would claim to be persecuted.
> I'm just a member of an unpopular minority - actually,
> several, given that I'm also Jewish, a gamer, a member
> of academia, a moderate Democrat ... 
/me rings up the total on the patented 'fundy-o-reprecussion' meter.
WOW! 'Braveheart' had a simple admonishment by contrast.....
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:01 pm
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:57:00 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
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>"Abner Mintz" <abnermintz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.DeleteThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
>> > > Ever consider becoming a supporting member of NPR, and
>> > > thus fully sealing your doom for eternity?
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>> Dave Thompson <abre.DeleteThis@thedoor.com> wrote:
>> > You forgot the ACLU.
>>
>> I don't listen to NPR (I much prefer rock and roll  ), but I
>> was a card-carrying member of the ACLU until very
>> recently, and intend to be so again once I've found a
>> better-paying job.
>
>I prefer rock music, too - '50s, '60's, '70s, '80s, some '90s. I
>became an oldie myself in the '90's when I realized I'd lost
>touch with the current music. It wasn't intentional. It just
>happened. I ran to the classical rock stations when a friend
>of mine (who was and still is a Led Zep fan) told me that her
>big music thing now was modern jazz. Yikes! That's like
>New Age elevator muzak. Jazz ain't jazz anymore. At least,
>the stuff she calls jazz.
>
>But, to get back to the subject of this thread, I'm doomed,
>too. I've belonged to many groups that the Nazi Elite in the
>White House don't approve of - the ACLU, American
>Atheists, Americans for the Separation of Church and State,
>a humanist group, MoveOn.org, a group that supports
>impeaching the squatter in the White House, AARP (horrors!)
>and more.
>
>I've probably sealed my fate just by posting this message. But,
>I'll tell ya, I'd rather be dead than live under the kind of
>government that Bush and his Dominionist cronies envision
>as our future.
They're working hard on arranging that now. In the name of 'love,' of
course.
>And, to end this message on an even less cheerful note, anyone
>who doesn't think that newsgroups like alt.atheism are being
>monitered is a fool.
Monitored, archieved, and analyzed.
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:23 pm
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:45:52 +1000, "Clayton Bush City Limits"
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>"Cary Kittrell" <cary.TakeThisOut@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>> Now admittedly atheists are the runt of the demographic litter in
>> this country, but nonetheless I personally cannot recall having
>> been subjected to anything I could describe as more than mildly
>> annoying on account of to my atheism.
>
>Really...I don't even live in the US and I've received a dozen personal
>death threats, had a girl break up with me because I was an atheist, lost
>out on a chance at a government job because their "personality profile" took
>points off my score for not believing in god and have been accused of
>potentially being everything from a liar and a pervert to a mass murderer
>for no other reason than I am an atheist!
They didn't want you horning in on Christian turf.
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:03 pm
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In article <1112899235.399000.81060.RemoveThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> "skyeyes" <skyeyes.RemoveThis@dakotacom.net> writes:
> Jez wrote:
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> >I prefer classical guitar music, but strangely, I don't like listening
> >to it, just playing it.
>
> I'm the same way. I studied violin - and later viola - for 20 years.
> Played about all the symphonic/classical music that exists. But I
> prefer to listen to classic rock, and that seems to upset people. They
> don't seem to grok the fact that once you've played
> symphonic/classical, listening to it isn't that enjoyable. If I *do*
> end up having to listen to it, I just hear all the mistakes made by the
> strings sections.
Heh. Two decades toiling over a hot oboe, and now I listen 90%
of the time to jazz.
However, in my case, I still do listen to classical music -- I'm
on a prolonged binge of the Romantics even as we type -- and I've
always loved jazz. I was brought up with "How Much is that
Doggie in the Window" and Lawrence Welk and all that other
pablum those all misty-eyed over the 1950s seem to forget --
and then someone gave me "The Golden Era of Dixieland Jazz"
for Christmas, and man ... speak of being struck dumb and
ecstatic by a bolt from heaven... I've never looked back.
Yo, Brenda: you could always listen to the Schostakovich
String Quartets. Whoa, that there was a mistake? Who
knew? I didn't know. Did you know?
(actually, I adore the Schostakovich Quartets. I put
the Brodsky renditions in my CD player, and then couldn't seem
to listen to anything else for about six weeks)
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:45 pm
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On 7 Apr 2005 11:40:35 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes.TakeThisOut@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>Jez wrote:
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>>I prefer classical guitar music, but strangely, I don't like listening
>>to it, just playing it.
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>I'm the same way. I studied violin - and later viola - for 20 years.
>Played about all the symphonic/classical music that exists. But I
>prefer to listen to classic rock, and that seems to upset people. They
>don't seem to grok the fact that once you've played
>symphonic/classical, listening to it isn't that enjoyable. If I *do*
>end up having to listen to it, I just hear all the mistakes made by the
>strings sections.
That makes sense. Thank you.
/me who plays a mean radio....
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:03 am
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:21 am
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In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3 RemoveThis @4ax.com> Jd <Jd.fireball RemoveThis @att.net> writes:
> [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
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> At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
> decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
> them here to help defend your ungodly lies. And note that this
> courtesy I'm extending is only due to the fact that many atheists are
> actually pure atheists and are not x-Christian Judas traitors like you
> and Bob.
>
> Cary Kittrell (a modern day Judas) wrote:
>
> >...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
> >
> >
> >Atheists roll their eyes, and properly so, at the recent trend
> >among some -- and I emphasize "some" -- among some Christians to
> >portray Christians in America as pitiable beleagured victims of
> >oppression and persecution.
>
> Hmmm...... how did you "portray Christians in America" when you were
> one?
>
> For the record, you were a Christian until the age of what... 35?
>
> Now that you ain't one, and you've turned to shrinks
I have? Oh dear!! I never knew! Shrinks, huh. How many appointments
have I missed, just to the nearest hundred? I mean, I think they
charge you whether you show up or not, right?
{...}
>
> Atheism is what... 3% of the population? And it's no wonder. Who
> could be so stupid to fall for the lies of the devil. The devil who
> BTW has been trying to cast doubt about the word of God in the minds
> of women for hundreds of thousands of years.....
Hundreds of thousands of years since Eden? such a big day you have.
>
> Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the
> Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, Ye
> shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" - (Genesis 3:1)
>
> .... was it a woman who convinced you to eat the apple?
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:26 am
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"Jd" <Jd.fireball.TakeThisOut@att.net> wrote in message
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> [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
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> At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
> decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
> them here to help defend your ungodly lies. And note that this
> courtesy I'm extending is only due to the fact that many atheists are
> actually pure atheists and are not x-Christian Judas traitors like you
> and Bob.
>
> Cary Kittrell (a modern day Judas) wrote:
>
> >...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
> >
> >
> >Atheists roll their eyes, and properly so, at the recent trend
> >among some -- and I emphasize "some" -- among some Christians to
> >portray Christians in America as pitiable beleagured victims of
> >oppression and persecution.
>
> Hmmm...... how did you "portray Christians in America" when you were
> one?
>
> For the record, you were a Christian until the age of what... 35?
>
> Now that you ain't one, and you've turned to shrinks and ungodly
> scientists who've discovered they can dupe disgruntled atheists like
> yourself by mimicries, you might want to consider this. And this may
> come to you as a surprise, but notice how your man Lovelock from
> NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had a revelation not unlike the
> Apostle Pauls'....
>
> "For me, the personal revelation of Gaia came quite suddenly - like a
> flash of enlightenment."(James Lovelock, 1991)
>
> Now here's the Apostle Paul:
>
> "And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh
> unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great
> light round about me." (Acts 22:6)
>
> And again:
>
> Galatians 1:11-12 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel
> which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it
> of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus
> Christ."
>
> Lovelock again...
>
> "It was at that moment that I glimpsed Gaia. An awesome thought came
> to me. The Earth's atmosphere was an extraordinary and unstable
> mixture of gases, yet Iknew that it was constant in composition over
> quite long periods of time. Could it be that life on Earth not only
> made the atmosphere, but also regulated it - keeping it at a constant
> composition, and at a level favourable for organisms?" - James
> Lovelock (1991)
>
> So you see, your wizards have found that mimicking the Holy Bible is
> quite advantageous. And just look at the results. Folks like you are
> turning away from Jesus by the dozens.
>
> Atheism is what... 3% of the population? And it's no wonder. Who
Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian involves
accepting
Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude to that
lord untill that lord releases him. These people for the most part were
posers
when they claimed to be christians.
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My invisible friend thinks you have problems.
"Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org> wrote in message
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> "Jd" <Jd.fireball.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message
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>> [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
>>
>> At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
>> decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
>> them here to help defend your ungodly lies. And note that this
>> courtesy I'm extending is only due to the fact that many atheists are
>> actually pure atheists and are not x-Christian Judas traitors like you
>> and Bob.
>>
>> Cary Kittrell (a modern day Judas) wrote:
>>
>> >...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
>> >
>> >
>> >Atheists roll their eyes, and properly so, at the recent trend
>> >among some -- and I emphasize "some" -- among some Christians to
>> >portray Christians in America as pitiable beleagured victims of
>> >oppression and persecution.
>>
>> Hmmm...... how did you "portray Christians in America" when you were
>> one?
>>
>> For the record, you were a Christian until the age of what... 35?
>>
>> Now that you ain't one, and you've turned to shrinks and ungodly
>> scientists who've discovered they can dupe disgruntled atheists like
>> yourself by mimicries, you might want to consider this. And this may
>> come to you as a surprise, but notice how your man Lovelock from
>> NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had a revelation not unlike the
>> Apostle Pauls'....
>>
>> "For me, the personal revelation of Gaia came quite suddenly - like a
>> flash of enlightenment."(James Lovelock, 1991)
>>
>> Now here's the Apostle Paul:
>>
>> "And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh
>> unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great
>> light round about me." (Acts 22:6)
>>
>> And again:
>>
>> Galatians 1:11-12 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel
>> which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it
>> of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus
>> Christ."
>>
>> Lovelock again...
>>
>> "It was at that moment that I glimpsed Gaia. An awesome thought came
>> to me. The Earth's atmosphere was an extraordinary and unstable
>> mixture of gases, yet Iknew that it was constant in composition over
>> quite long periods of time. Could it be that life on Earth not only
>> made the atmosphere, but also regulated it - keeping it at a constant
>> composition, and at a level favourable for organisms?" - James
>> Lovelock (1991)
>>
>> So you see, your wizards have found that mimicking the Holy Bible is
>> quite advantageous. And just look at the results. Folks like you are
>> turning away from Jesus by the dozens.
>>
>> Atheism is what... 3% of the population? And it's no wonder. Who
>
> Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
> are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian
> involves
> accepting
> Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude to
> that
> lord untill that lord releases him. These people for the most part were
> posers
> when they claimed to be christians.
Aaaaah, denial.
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"Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org> wrote:
>Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
>are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian involves
>accepting
>Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude to that
>lord untill that lord releases him.
Only in medieval European feudalism. And not always then (plenty of
medieval vassals skipped out on their lords, and some went to war
against them).
The American Founders accepted King George as their lord, and then
ceased to accept him without waiting for him to give permission.
lojbab
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab.DeleteThis@lojban.org> wrote in message
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> "Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org> wrote:
> >Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
> >are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian
involves
> >accepting
> >Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude to
that
> >lord untill that lord releases him.
>
> Only in medieval European feudalism. And not always then (plenty of
> medieval vassals skipped out on their lords, and some went to war
> against them).
A good point. A lot did of them did turn on thier lords. But if an
unfortunate turn of events placed them back in that lords jurisdiction
it went very badly for them. I see that you have done some homework.
> The American Founders accepted King George as their lord, and then
> ceased to accept him without waiting for him to give permission.
Yes and rightfully so. But George considered them to be criminals
and would have punished them If he had been able to do so.
The reason that I believe that former christians were never really
christians
is this. If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It would
stand
to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile against
an
omnipotent Lord.
So to turn on Christ one would need either one of these two conditions.
A. Belief that Jesus was not really the Son of God and that it is therefore
possible to escape His jurisdiction.
B. Not having accepted this Son of God as Lord in the first place.
Logically, neither of these conditions could be present in a christian.
Anyway that's my opinion on the subject.
Og
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"Og" <Og DeleteThis @bashan.org> wrote:
>The reason that I believe that former christians were never really
>christians
>is this. If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It would
>stand
>to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
>he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile against
>an
>omnipotent Lord.
True.
But if one suddenly loses one's belief in said omnipotence, or even in
the existence of Jesus Christ, because one has gained some
contradictory information or insight, then one would have no reason to
remain Christian.
The belief of the young in Christ is a belief often deriving in part
from naivete, or parental indoctrination. When people grow up and
gain independence, they often gain access to new sources of
information and ideas, and it is these things that can lead to a loss
of faith.
Or they may simply by growing up lose their childlike faith in lots of
things, in which case a childlike faith in an invisible God is an easy
one to lose.
> So to turn on Christ one would need either one of these two conditions.
>
>A. Belief that Jesus was not really the Son of God and that it is therefore
> possible to escape His jurisdiction.
Backwards. The loss of an already held belief is what usually
happens. You seem to be assuming that a belief cannot be lost.
>B. Not having accepted this Son of God as Lord in the first place.
>
>Logically, neither of these conditions could be present in a christian.
Religious faith isn't logical in the first place, so that may be part
of your mistake.
Yours in Christ,
lojbab
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