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In article <NMM6GOHR38452.7092708333 DeleteThis @anonymous.poster> Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel DeleteThis @nottheremailer.net> writes:

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> cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
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> > In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3 DeleteThis @4ax.com> Jd
> > <Jd.fireball DeleteThis @att.net> writes:
>
> >> Atheism is what... 3% of the population? And it's no
> >> wonder. Who could be so stupid to fall for the lies of
> >> the devil. The devil who BTW has been trying to cast doubt
> >> about the word of God in the minds of women
>
> What's this particular smite against *just* women all about?

Ah, well, JDay's ... how to put this?... no one will every
accuse JDay of being uxorious.


>
> >>for hundreds
> >> of thousands of years.....
> >
> > Hundreds of thousands of years since Eden? such a big day
> > you have.
>
> Hey! Give Jd credit. We're up from 6,000 years to 100,000
> plus. He's making progress.

Think he's straying from the true YEC path?


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On 10 Apr 2005 22:01:21 -0000, Secret Squirrel
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>cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
>news:d37e7b$rgf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
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>> In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3.RemoveThis@4ax.com> Jd
>> <Jd.fireball.RemoveThis@att.net> writes:
>
>>> Atheism is what... 3% of the population? And it's no
>>> wonder. Who could be so stupid to fall for the lies of
>>> the devil. The devil who BTW has been trying to cast doubt
>>> about the word of God in the minds of women
>
>What's this particular smite against *just* women all about?

Jd is rather fascinated by those foreign and exotic lands.

FNC, fabulous wonderful & awesome
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In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3 DeleteThis @4ax.com> Jd <Jd.fireball DeleteThis @att.net> writes:
> [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
>
> At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
> decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
> them here to help defend your ungodly lies.


Okay, sure, why not.

Hey Mark, Robyn, Stoney, Vic, Dave, John, and the rest! We got
yer "JDay" here, and we got yer "ungodly lies" here!! Care to
join in the fun?

-- cary






And note that this
> courtesy I'm extending is only due to the fact that many atheists are
> actually pure atheists and are not x-Christian Judas traitors like you
> and Bob.
>
> Cary Kittrell (a modern day Judas) wrote:
>
> >...these young theist-ettes won't let me be...
> >
> >
> >Atheists roll their eyes, and properly so, at the recent trend
> >among some -- and I emphasize "some" -- among some Christians to
> >portray Christians in America as pitiable beleagured victims of
> >oppression and persecution.
>
> Hmmm...... how did you "portray Christians in America" when you were
> one?
>
> For the record, you were a Christian until the age of what... 35?
>
> Now that you ain't one, and you've turned to shrinks and ungodly
> scientists who've discovered they can dupe disgruntled atheists like
> yourself by mimicries, you might want to consider this. And this may
> come to you as a surprise, but notice how your man Lovelock from
> NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had a revelation not unlike the
> Apostle Pauls'....
>
> "For me, the personal revelation of Gaia came quite suddenly - like a
> flash of enlightenment."(James Lovelock, 1991)
>
> Now here's the Apostle Paul:
>
> "And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh
> unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great
> light round about me." (Acts 22:6)
>
> And again:
>
> Galatians 1:11-12 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel
> which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it
> of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus
> Christ."
>
> Lovelock again...
>
> "It was at that moment that I glimpsed Gaia. An awesome thought came
> to me. The Earth's atmosphere was an extraordinary and unstable
> mixture of gases, yet Iknew that it was constant in composition over
> quite long periods of time. Could it be that life on Earth not only
> made the atmosphere, but also regulated it - keeping it at a constant
> composition, and at a level favourable for organisms?" - James
> Lovelock (1991)
>
> So you see, your wizards have found that mimicking the Holy Bible is
> quite advantageous. And just look at the results. Folks like you are
> turning away from Jesus by the dozens.
>
> Atheism is what... 3% of the population? And it's no wonder. Who
> could be so stupid to fall for the lies of the devil. The devil who
> BTW has been trying to cast doubt about the word of God in the minds
> of women for hundreds of thousands of years.....
>
> Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the
> Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, Ye
> shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" - (Genesis 3:1)
>
> .... was it a woman who convinced you to eat the apple?
>
> Jd
>
> "Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that
> breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
>
>
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3 DeleteThis @4ax.com> Jd
> <Jd.fireball DeleteThis @att.net> writes:
>> [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
>>
>> At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
>> decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
>> them here to help defend your ungodly lies.
>
>
> Okay, sure, why not.
>
> Hey Mark, Robyn, Stoney, Vic, Dave, John, and the rest! We got
> yer "JDay" here, and we got yer "ungodly lies" here!! Care to
> join in the fun?

Since you and the rest of us are agnostics, atheists, or skeptics, whether a
lie is ungodly or not is irrelevant.

It's up to JD to point out any he considers lies. But he's bailed, more than
likely.
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary.TakeThisOut@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3.TakeThisOut@4ax.com> Jd
<Jd.fireball.TakeThisOut@att.net> writes:
> > [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
> >
> > At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
> > decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
> > them here to help defend your ungodly lies.
>
>
> Okay, sure, why not.
>
> Hey Mark, Robyn, Stoney, Vic, Dave, John, and the rest! We got
> yer "JDay" here, and we got yer "ungodly lies" here!! Care to
> join in the fun?

Alrighty then. What "ungodly" lies have you been telling this time around,
young man <taps foot with hands on hips>
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:43:19 +0000 (UTC), cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:

>In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3.RemoveThis@4ax.com> Jd <Jd.fireball.RemoveThis@att.net> writes:
>> [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
>>
>> At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
>> decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
>> them here to help defend your ungodly lies.
>
>
>Okay, sure, why not.
>
>Hey Mark, Robyn, Stoney, Vic, Dave, John, and the rest! We got
>yer "JDay" here, and we got yer "ungodly lies" here!! Care to
>join in the fun?

I don't call watching abject dishonesty, ignorance, and bigotry fun,
so I'll give it a pass.


--

Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
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Religion is the original war crime.
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In article <115igcjm6dtbiff.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com> "Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org> writes:
>
> "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab.RemoveThis@lojban.org> wrote in message
> news:3u0i511bgmvlhk1big0vaeupj6or164ql0@4ax.com...
> > "Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org> wrote:
> > >Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
> > >are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian
> involves
> > >accepting
> > >Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude to
> that
> > >lord untill that lord releases him.
> >
> > Only in medieval European feudalism. And not always then (plenty of
> > medieval vassals skipped out on their lords, and some went to war
> > against them).
>
> A good point. A lot did of them did turn on thier lords. But if an
> unfortunate turn of events placed them back in that lords jurisdiction
> it went very badly for them. I see that you have done some homework.
>
> > The American Founders accepted King George as their lord, and then
> > ceased to accept him without waiting for him to give permission.
>
> Yes and rightfully so. But George considered them to be criminals
> and would have punished them If he had been able to do so.
>
> The reason that I believe that former christians were never really
> christians
> is this. If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It would
> stand
> to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
> he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile against
> an
> omnipotent Lord.
> So to turn on Christ one would need either one of these two conditions.
>
> A. Belief that Jesus was not really the Son of God and that it is therefore
> possible to escape His jurisdiction.
>
> B. Not having accepted this Son of God as Lord in the first place.
>

Or (putting this in terms that may encourage a dispassionate
consideration), suppose our apostate was:


C. a Hindu who when young believed most fully in Bhrama, Krishna, Lord
Ganesh (my personal favorite), Shiva and the rest, but who as he
got older, came to realize that there's no there there?


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"Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <115igcjm6dtbiff.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com> "Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org>
writes:
> >
> > "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab.RemoveThis@lojban.org> wrote in message
> > news:3u0i511bgmvlhk1big0vaeupj6or164ql0@4ax.com...
> > > "Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org> wrote:
> > > >Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
> > > >are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian
> > involves
> > > >accepting
> > > >Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude
to
> > that
> > > >lord untill that lord releases him.
> > >
> > > Only in medieval European feudalism. And not always then (plenty of
> > > medieval vassals skipped out on their lords, and some went to war
> > > against them).
> >
> > A good point. A lot did of them did turn on thier lords. But if an
> > unfortunate turn of events placed them back in that lords jurisdiction
> > it went very badly for them. I see that you have done some homework.
> >
> > > The American Founders accepted King George as their lord, and then
> > > ceased to accept him without waiting for him to give permission.
> >
> > Yes and rightfully so. But George considered them to be criminals
> > and would have punished them If he had been able to do so.
> >
> > The reason that I believe that former christians were never really
> > christians
> > is this. If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It
would
> > stand
> > to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
> > he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile
against
> > an
> > omnipotent Lord.
> > So to turn on Christ one would need either one of these two
conditions.
> >
> > A. Belief that Jesus was not really the Son of God and that it is
therefore
> > possible to escape His jurisdiction.
> >
> > B. Not having accepted this Son of God as Lord in the first place.
> >
>
> Or (putting this in terms that may encourage a dispassionate
> consideration), suppose our apostate was:
>
>
> C. a Hindu who when young believed most fully in Bhrama, Krishna, Lord
> Ganesh (my personal favorite), Shiva and the rest, but who as he
> got older, came to realize that there's no there there?

Hi
A hundu would be no better or worse off having lost a belief in a
nonexistent
entity. At least it may trigger a search for a God that does exist, perhaps
eventually leading to Christ. That was an odd option that you suggested.

Og

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"Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.RemoveThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:d3ed5p$24v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> In article <115igcjm6dtbiff.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com> "Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org>
> writes:
>> >
>> > "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab.RemoveThis@lojban.org> wrote in message
>> > news:3u0i511bgmvlhk1big0vaeupj6or164ql0@4ax.com...
>> > > "Og" <Og.RemoveThis@bashan.org> wrote:
>> > > >Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
>> > > >are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian
>> > involves
>> > > >accepting
>> > > >Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under servitude
> to
>> > that
>> > > >lord untill that lord releases him.
>> > >
>> > > Only in medieval European feudalism. And not always then (plenty of
>> > > medieval vassals skipped out on their lords, and some went to war
>> > > against them).
>> >
>> > A good point. A lot did of them did turn on thier lords. But if an
>> > unfortunate turn of events placed them back in that lords jurisdiction
>> > it went very badly for them. I see that you have done some homework.
>> >
>> > > The American Founders accepted King George as their lord, and then
>> > > ceased to accept him without waiting for him to give permission.
>> >
>> > Yes and rightfully so. But George considered them to be criminals
>> > and would have punished them If he had been able to do so.
>> >
>> > The reason that I believe that former christians were never really
>> > christians
>> > is this. If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It
> would
>> > stand
>> > to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
>> > he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile
> against
>> > an
>> > omnipotent Lord.
>> > So to turn on Christ one would need either one of these two
> conditions.
>> >
>> > A. Belief that Jesus was not really the Son of God and that it is
> therefore
>> > possible to escape His jurisdiction.
>> >
>> > B. Not having accepted this Son of God as Lord in the first place.
>> >
>>
>> Or (putting this in terms that may encourage a dispassionate
>> consideration), suppose our apostate was:
>>
>>
>> C. a Hindu who when young believed most fully in Bhrama, Krishna, Lord
>> Ganesh (my personal favorite), Shiva and the rest, but who as he
>> got older, came to realize that there's no there there?
>
> Hi
> A hundu would be no better or worse off having lost a belief in a
> nonexistent
> entity.

How is their god more non existent than yours? Their beliefs are just as
strong as christians.

At least it may trigger a search for a God that does exist, perhaps
> eventually leading to Christ. That was an odd option that you suggested.

Your god is no more real than theirs.
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"Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org> wrote:
>"Cary Kittrell" <cary.DeleteThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>news:d3ed5p$24v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> C. a Hindu who when young believed most fully in Bhrama, Krishna, Lord
>> Ganesh (my personal favorite), Shiva and the rest, but who as he
>> got older, came to realize that there's no there there?
>
>Hi
>A hundu would be no better or worse off having lost a belief in a
>nonexistent
>entity. At least it may trigger a search for a God that does exist, perhaps
>eventually leading to Christ. That was an odd option that you suggested.

His point was in response to your comment:
> > If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It would stand
> > to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
> > he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile against
> > an omnipotent Lord.

To a Hindu raised in the belief in the Hindu gods, the corresponding
comment would be:
> > If a person really believed that Brahma or Shiva is God. It would stand
> > to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place where
> > he could go to escape the authority of Brahma or Shiva. Rebellion is futile against
> > an omnipotent Lord.

Your argument that someone who loses a belief in Christ never really
believed in the first place would correspondingly require that the
above mentioned Hindu wasn't ever really a Hindu.

The point is that if someone loses their belief in a god, whether it
be Vishnu or Jesus Christ, they implicitly also lose their belief that
they have anything to fear from the god that they no longer believe
exists. They aren't "rebelling", because they don't think that there
is anything to rebel against.

It seems to be extremely difficult for most Christians to even
understand that a person could possibly *not believe that God exists*
- that they have to be "rebelling". But the agnostics and atheists I
know generally don't feel any reason to believe in any sort of deity.
I did, so I chose to have faith in Jesus Christ, but I can understand
that others who have not had my experiences simply have no reason to
believe - and yours or my testimony isn't especially relevant to
*them*.

Bob LeChevalier
--
lojbab lojbab.DeleteThis@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
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In article <3bvskaF6hsggpU1 DeleteThis @individual.net> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo DeleteThis @broomstick.com> writes:
>
> "Cary Kittrell" <cary DeleteThis @afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:d3ecvn$1gq$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3 DeleteThis @4ax.com> Jd
> <Jd.fireball DeleteThis @att.net> writes:
> > > [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
> > >
> > > At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
> > > decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
> > > them here to help defend your ungodly lies.
> >
> >
> > Okay, sure, why not.
> >
> > Hey Mark, Robyn, Stoney, Vic, Dave, John, and the rest! We got
> > yer "JDay" here, and we got yer "ungodly lies" here!! Care to
> > join in the fun?
>
> Alrighty then. What "ungodly" lies have you been telling this time around,
> young man <taps foot with hands on hips>

Hard to tell; I keep forgetting which words JDay has put into
my mouth this time around...


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"Cary Kittrell" <cary.DeleteThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <3bvskaF6hsggpU1.DeleteThis@individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
> <witchypoo.DeleteThis@broomstick.com> writes:
>>
>> "Cary Kittrell" <cary.DeleteThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>> news:d3ecvn$1gq$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> > In article <kjke51d928k2fdr4hsrs5sti8kav1a84g3.DeleteThis@4ax.com> Jd
>> <Jd.fireball.DeleteThis@att.net> writes:
>> > > [alt.atheism deleted from newsgroups]
>> > >
>> > > At the requests of atheists in alt.atheism (a while back), I've
>> > > decided not to post there. You might want to go get them and bring
>> > > them here to help defend your ungodly lies.
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, sure, why not.
>> >
>> > Hey Mark, Robyn, Stoney, Vic, Dave, John, and the rest! We got
>> > yer "JDay" here, and we got yer "ungodly lies" here!! Care to
>> > join in the fun?
>>
>> Alrighty then. What "ungodly" lies have you been telling this time
>> around,
>> young man <taps foot with hands on hips>
>
> Hard to tell; I keep forgetting which words JDay has put into
> my mouth this time around...

Did you say Jesus was a monkey again?
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"Dave Thompson" <abre.DeleteThis@thedoor.com> wrote in message
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> "Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Cary Kittrell" <cary.DeleteThis@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> > news:d3ed5p$24v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> >> In article <115igcjm6dtbiff.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com> "Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org>
> > writes:
> >> >
> >> > "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab.DeleteThis@lojban.org> wrote in message
> >> > news:3u0i511bgmvlhk1big0vaeupj6or164ql0@4ax.com...
> >> > > "Og" <Og.DeleteThis@bashan.org> wrote:
> >> > > >Those who claim that they were once christians and are not anymore
> >> > > >are mostly lying. Most never were christians. Becoming a christian
> >> > involves
> >> > > >accepting
> >> > > >Jesus as your Lord. Once one accepts a Lord, one is under
servitude
> > to
> >> > that
> >> > > >lord untill that lord releases him.
> >> > >
> >> > > Only in medieval European feudalism. And not always then (plenty
of
> >> > > medieval vassals skipped out on their lords, and some went to war
> >> > > against them).
> >> >
> >> > A good point. A lot did of them did turn on thier lords. But if an
> >> > unfortunate turn of events placed them back in that lords
jurisdiction
> >> > it went very badly for them. I see that you have done some homework.
> >> >
> >> > > The American Founders accepted King George as their lord, and then
> >> > > ceased to accept him without waiting for him to give permission.
> >> >
> >> > Yes and rightfully so. But George considered them to be criminals
> >> > and would have punished them If he had been able to do so.
> >> >
> >> > The reason that I believe that former christians were never really
> >> > christians
> >> > is this. If a person really believed that Jesus is the Son of God. It
> > would
> >> > stand
> >> > to reason that that person would be aware that there was no place
where
> >> > he could go to escape the authority of Christ. Rebellion is futile
> > against
> >> > an
> >> > omnipotent Lord.
> >> > So to turn on Christ one would need either one of these two
> > conditions.
> >> >
> >> > A. Belief that Jesus was not really the Son of God and that it is
> > therefore
> >> > possible to escape His jurisdiction.
> >> >
> >> > B. Not having accepted this Son of God as Lord in the first place.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Or (putting this in terms that may encourage a dispassionate
> >> consideration), suppose our apostate was:
> >>
> >>
> >> C. a Hindu who when young believed most fully in Bhrama, Krishna, Lord
> >> Ganesh (my personal favorite), Shiva and the rest, but who as he
> >> got older, came to realize that there's no there there?
> >
> > Hi
> > A hundu would be no better or worse off having lost a belief in a
> > nonexistent
> > entity.
>
> How is their god more non existent than yours? Their beliefs are just as
> strong as christians.
>
>
> At least it may trigger a search for a God that does exist, perhaps
> > eventually leading to Christ. That was an odd option that you suggested.
>
> Your god is no more real than theirs.

I suppose it seems that way to you. For myself I have abundant
proof of His existence, but I can't provide any for you.

Og
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