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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:03 am
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This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
Sat 1 Verbal 760 , Math 760
Math IIC 780
Writing 760
Chemistry 740
Ranked #1 in class weighted GPA 4.8
10 APs, 9 Honors
ECs Varsity Cross country 3 years, Varsity Track 3 years
National Honor Society VP
Service Club VP
Girl Scouts Leadership Award, 10 year award
Life team member (senior leadership organization)
Asian
Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
Live in California
Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
Deferred Caltech
Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
Visiting Rice right now.
Tie between Rice, Berkeley. UCLA a close second (more Regent's scholarship
at UCLA--though this is not a major factor between the UCs).
Brown would be nice to consider but our income rules out any scholarship,
yet we can no way afford to send her to Brown (already have another child
at UCSD). Such is the price of living in California! Rice would be a stretch
but we will do it if that's what she wants and is the right decision.
My recommendation is UCLA which would offer plenty of intellectual stimulus,
yet she stands a chance of getting good grades for graduate school. She is
unsure--thinks Berkeley and Rice are more prestigious. O yeah we live in
the bay area, about 1 hour from Berkeley. This week's Rice trip should
settle some issues I hope.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:00 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:47 am
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>This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
>seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
<snip>
Very good!
>Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
>Live in California
>
>Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
>Deferred Caltech
>Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
>Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
>Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
>Visiting Rice right now.
All of these are great choices. For full disclosure, I am a UCLA booster.
Cutting to the chase - a high school student uses entirely different
criteria from a sophomore or junior in evaluating schools. Your daughter
will almost certainly be going to graduate school. Without an area of
specialization in mind, it's hard to suggest one school over another. Some
things to consider:
1. She will need loads of undergraduate research. How do each of the
schools you are considering stack up in this area?
2. How do the course offerings compare to her areas of interest?
Any of your top choices are good ones - they all seem to be well represented
in the medical scientist programs I've checked. But I'd go for Berkeley or
UCLA - I just don't see that any of the private schools offer enough
advantages to offset their higher cost. And the distance factor can be
important - it's not always possible to predict the emotional support needed
in the first couple of years of college, and that's easier to give in
California than in Rhode Island or Texas.
UCSD is also a good choice for bioengineering.
Let us know how the Rice visit goes...reading about these college visits
gives me a vicarious thrill. Or something.
Hank Murphy
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:32 pm
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"somebody" <vkumarsomeone.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote
Mr V. Kumar,
> This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
> seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
> Sat 1 Verbal 760 , Math 760
Excellent
> Math IIC 780
> Writing 760
> Chemistry 740
Excellent
> Ranked #1 in class weighted GPA 4.8
Excellent
> 10 APs, 9 Honors
Excellent
> ECs Varsity Cross country 3 years, Varsity Track 3 years
> National Honor Society VP
> Service Club VP
> Girl Scouts Leadership Award, 10 year award
> Life team member (senior leadership organization)
Mediocre
> Asian
Indian?
> Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
> Live in California
>
> Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
> Deferred Caltech
What do you mean by deferred?
A female candidate with excellent academic qualifications?
How come she didn't apply to MIT?
> Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
> Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
> Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
> Visiting Rice right now.
>
> Tie between Rice, Berkeley. UCLA a close second (more Regent's scholarship
> at UCLA--though this is not a major factor between the UCs).
> Brown would be nice to consider but our income rules out any scholarship,
> yet we can no way afford to send her to Brown (already have another child
> at UCSD). Such is the price of living in California! Rice would be a
stretch
> but we will do it if that's what she wants and is the right decision.
> My recommendation is UCLA which would offer plenty of intellectual
stimulus,
> yet she stands a chance of getting good grades for graduate school. She
is
> unsure--thinks Berkeley and Rice are more prestigious. O yeah we live in
> the bay area, about 1 hour from Berkeley. This week's Rice trip should
> settle some issues I hope.
> Thanks for any advice.
My vote: Brown.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:32 pm
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"Abe Kohen" <akohen.RemoveThis@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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> "somebody" <vkumarsomeone.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote
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> Mr V. Kumar,
>
> > This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
> > seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
> > Sat 1 Verbal 760 , Math 760
>
> Excellent
>
> > Math IIC 780
> > Writing 760
> > Chemistry 740
>
> Excellent
>
> > Ranked #1 in class weighted GPA 4.8
>
> Excellent
>
> > 10 APs, 9 Honors
>
> Excellent
>
> > ECs Varsity Cross country 3 years, Varsity Track 3 years
> > National Honor Society VP
> > Service Club VP
> > Girl Scouts Leadership Award, 10 year award
> > Life team member (senior leadership organization)
>
> Mediocre
Maybe so.
>
> > Asian
>
> Indian?
>
Yes
> > Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
> > Live in California
> >
> > Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
> > Deferred Caltech
>
> What do you mean by deferred?
They will decide on May16 if there are sufficient openings. And she would
have decided by then anyway. Caltech was viewed by her in the same light as
MIT below, although better (possibly due to her life long hero Feynmann).
>
> A female candidate with excellent academic qualifications?
>
> How come she didn't apply to MIT?
Did not like the MIT scene. Couldnt force her.
>
> > Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
> > Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
> > Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
> > Visiting Rice right now.
> >
> > Tie between Rice, Berkeley. UCLA a close second (more Regent's
scholarship
> > at UCLA--though this is not a major factor between the UCs).
> > Brown would be nice to consider but our income rules out any
scholarship,
> > yet we can no way afford to send her to Brown (already have another
child
> > at UCSD). Such is the price of living in California! Rice would be a
> stretch
> > but we will do it if that's what she wants and is the right decision.
> > My recommendation is UCLA which would offer plenty of intellectual
> stimulus,
> > yet she stands a chance of getting good grades for graduate school. She
> is
> > unsure--thinks Berkeley and Rice are more prestigious. O yeah we live
in
> > the bay area, about 1 hour from Berkeley. This week's Rice trip should
> > settle some issues I hope.
> > Thanks for any advice.
>
> My vote: Brown.
>
Why? Brown has mediocre engineering does it not? I mean compared to the
other choices.
> Abe
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:07 pm
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"Vijay Kumar" <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote
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> "Abe Kohen" <akohen RemoveThis @xenon.stanford.edu> wrote
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> > "somebody" <vkumarsomeone RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote
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> > > Deferred Caltech
> >
> > What do you mean by deferred?
>
> They will decide on May16 if there are sufficient openings. And she would
> have decided by then anyway. Caltech was viewed by her in the same light
as
> MIT below, although better (possibly due to her life long hero Feynmann).
Feynman. (Rule of thumb, but not always so: Jewish -> one "n.")
If she wants to study engineering, then what better place than MIT or
Caltech?
If she wants to study something else, then it might as well be Brown. I'm
told it's a really good school. I don't know your daughter, but I suspect
she will flourish there.
Yes, there are other great engineering schools she did not apply to, and one
where she was unfortunately rejected.
Best of luck,
Abe
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:38 am
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somebody,
As a fellow Californian I wanted to point out that our housing prices are
now officially through the roof and if you own a home you should have mass
amounts of equity in it (have you checked in the last 6 months?). We have
just decided to take out an equity line (prime + zero, no points, no fees)
and use a bit of it for part of #2's private college next year, not too
much, just enough to take the pinch out while we have #1'a smaller college
expenses to pay for the next two years. The interest is deductible on an
equity whereas a PLUS loan is not, that was the main draw of using the
equity line. Since you probably are out of the hope credit and the tuition
credit range on your taxes this is a way to at LEAST be able to deduct the
expense. Equity lines also require very small monthly payments so you could
make smaller payments until she is out of school and then start socking the
money on the line. If you are in that fafsa hell where your EFC is too high
like ours is in old sunny southern california it is something you may want
to consider.
Just thought I'd throw it out there.
-B
"somebody" <vkumarsomeone RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message
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> This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
> seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
> Sat 1 Verbal 760 , Math 760
> Math IIC 780
> Writing 760
> Chemistry 740
> Ranked #1 in class weighted GPA 4.8
> 10 APs, 9 Honors
> ECs Varsity Cross country 3 years, Varsity Track 3 years
> National Honor Society VP
> Service Club VP
> Girl Scouts Leadership Award, 10 year award
> Life team member (senior leadership organization)
> Asian
> Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
> Live in California
>
> Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
> Deferred Caltech
> Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
> Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
> Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
> Visiting Rice right now.
>
> Tie between Rice, Berkeley. UCLA a close second (more Regent's scholarship
> at UCLA--though this is not a major factor between the UCs).
> Brown would be nice to consider but our income rules out any scholarship,
> yet we can no way afford to send her to Brown (already have another child
> at UCSD). Such is the price of living in California! Rice would be a
stretch
> but we will do it if that's what she wants and is the right decision.
> My recommendation is UCLA which would offer plenty of intellectual
stimulus,
> yet she stands a chance of getting good grades for graduate school. She
is
> unsure--thinks Berkeley and Rice are more prestigious. O yeah we live in
> the bay area, about 1 hour from Berkeley. This week's Rice trip should
> settle some issues I hope.
> Thanks for any advice.
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:11 pm
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"Out West" <byer5.RemoveThis@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> somebody,
> As a fellow Californian I wanted to point out that our housing prices are
> now officially through the roof and if you own a home you should have mass
> amounts of equity in it (have you checked in the last 6 months?). We have
> just decided to take out an equity line (prime + zero, no points, no fees)
> and use a bit of it for part of #2's private college next year, not too
> much, just enough to take the pinch out while we have #1'a smaller college
> expenses to pay for the next two years. The interest is deductible on an
> equity whereas a PLUS loan is not, that was the main draw of using the
> equity line. Since you probably are out of the hope credit and the tuition
> credit range on your taxes this is a way to at LEAST be able to deduct the
> expense. Equity lines also require very small monthly payments so you
could
> make smaller payments until she is out of school and then start socking
the
> money on the line. If you are in that fafsa hell where your EFC is too
high
> like ours is in old sunny southern california it is something you may want
> to consider.
> Just thought I'd throw it out there.
> -B
Yes I do have an equity line. However if she goes to a UC then we dont have
to worry about it much. Only Brown and Rice will make us dig into the loans,
since we live pretty frugally otherwise.
> "somebody" <vkumarsomeone.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:GIofc.5792$Fo4.71721@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
> > seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
> > Sat 1 Verbal 760 , Math 760
> > Math IIC 780
> > Writing 760
> > Chemistry 740
> > Ranked #1 in class weighted GPA 4.8
> > 10 APs, 9 Honors
> > ECs Varsity Cross country 3 years, Varsity Track 3 years
> > National Honor Society VP
> > Service Club VP
> > Girl Scouts Leadership Award, 10 year award
> > Life team member (senior leadership organization)
> > Asian
> > Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
> > Live in California
> >
> > Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
> > Deferred Caltech
> > Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
> > Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
> > Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
> > Visiting Rice right now.
> >
> > Tie between Rice, Berkeley. UCLA a close second (more Regent's
scholarship
> > at UCLA--though this is not a major factor between the UCs).
> > Brown would be nice to consider but our income rules out any
scholarship,
> > yet we can no way afford to send her to Brown (already have another
child
> > at UCSD). Such is the price of living in California! Rice would be a
> stretch
> > but we will do it if that's what she wants and is the right decision.
> > My recommendation is UCLA which would offer plenty of intellectual
> stimulus,
> > yet she stands a chance of getting good grades for graduate school. She
> is
> > unsure--thinks Berkeley and Rice are more prestigious. O yeah we live
in
> > the bay area, about 1 hour from Berkeley. This week's Rice trip should
> > settle some issues I hope.
> > Thanks for any advice.
> >
> >
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:56 am
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"Out West" <byer5.RemoveThis@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> somebody,
> As a fellow Californian I wanted to point out that our housing prices are
> now officially through the roof and if you own a home you should have mass
> amounts of equity in it (have you checked in the last 6 months?). We have
> just decided to take out an equity line (prime + zero, no points, no fees)
> and use a bit of it for part of #2's private college next year, not too
> much, just enough to take the pinch out while we have #1'a smaller college
> expenses to pay for the next two years. The interest is deductible on an
> equity whereas a PLUS loan is not, that was the main draw of using the
> equity line. Since you probably are out of the hope credit and the tuition
> credit range on your taxes this is a way to at LEAST be able to deduct the
> expense. Equity lines also require very small monthly payments so you
could
> make smaller payments until she is out of school and then start socking
the
> money on the line. If you are in that fafsa hell where your EFC is too
high
> like ours is in old sunny southern california it is something you may want
> to consider.
> Just thought I'd throw it out there.
> -B
> "somebody" <vkumarsomeone.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:GIofc.5792$Fo4.71721@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > This is along the same lines as an earlier posting by Sarath and I am
> > seeking some counsel/affirmation. My daughter has the following stats:
> > Sat 1 Verbal 760 , Math 760
> > Math IIC 780
> > Writing 760
> > Chemistry 740
> > Ranked #1 in class weighted GPA 4.8
> > 10 APs, 9 Honors
> > ECs Varsity Cross country 3 years, Varsity Track 3 years
> > National Honor Society VP
> > Service Club VP
> > Girl Scouts Leadership Award, 10 year award
> > Life team member (senior leadership organization)
> > Asian
> > Wants to do Bio-engineering, possibly pre-med.
> > Live in California
> >
> > Rejected Stanford, Harvard, Yale
> > Deferred Caltech
> > Accepted Brown, Berkeley, Rice, UC Davis UCLA, UCSD.
> > Regents scholarship at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis
> > Token 1k scholarship at Brown.
> > Visiting Rice right now.
> >
> > Tie between Rice, Berkeley. UCLA a close second (more Regent's
scholarship
> > at UCLA--though this is not a major factor between the UCs).
> > Brown would be nice to consider but our income rules out any
scholarship,
> > yet we can no way afford to send her to Brown (already have another
child
> > at UCSD). Such is the price of living in California! Rice would be a
> stretch
> > but we will do it if that's what she wants and is the right decision.
> > My recommendation is UCLA which would offer plenty of intellectual
> stimulus,
> > yet she stands a chance of getting good grades for graduate school. She
> is
> > unsure--thinks Berkeley and Rice are more prestigious. O yeah we live
in
> > the bay area, about 1 hour from Berkeley. This week's Rice trip should
> > settle some issues I hope.
> > Thanks for any advice.
> >
Well she visited Rice and did not care for the "10:30 pm visit to the pub
scene". Plus did not see much racial diversity there (although after living
in California it would be hard to find any other place with so much
diversity) and felt somewhat out of place.
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"somebody" <vkumarsomeone.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote
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> Well she visited Rice and did not care for the "10:30 pm visit to the pub
> scene". Plus did not see much racial diversity there (although after
living
> in California it would be hard to find any other place with so much
> diversity) and felt somewhat out of place.
There is probably more racial/color diversity in some neighborhoods of
Queens, NY than in all of California, but that's another issue.
> So she has decided on Berkeley. Thanks for everyone's helpful comments.
Glad she was able to decide. She'll get a top rate education there.
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"Abe Kohen" <akohen DeleteThis @xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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> "somebody" <vkumarsomeone DeleteThis @sonic.net> wrote
> >
> > Well she visited Rice and did not care for the "10:30 pm visit to the
pub
> > scene". Plus did not see much racial diversity there (although after
> living
> > in California it would be hard to find any other place with so much
> > diversity) and felt somewhat out of place.
>
> There is probably more racial/color diversity in some neighborhoods of
> Queens, NY than in all of California, but that's another issue.
>
That's it -it is only some neighborhoods in NY. Plus the mix in California
is through all classes of society, not just at the lower economic strata --I
think that is the big difference between California and all other places
that profess to have racial diversity.
> > So she has decided on Berkeley. Thanks for everyone's helpful comments.
>
> Glad she was able to decide. She'll get a top rate education there.
>
Thank you I am relieved that a decsion has been made and seems like a good
choice in terms of education, prestige and value.
> Abe
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