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buckeye-elo

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:41 am
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Success Depends On Freedom
http://www.dailynews-record.com/search_letterdetails.php?LID=968&key=S...ess%20D
Harrisonburg Daily News Record - Harrisonburg,VA,USA

Max Boot (Viewpoint, \"Complaining Won’t Help Muslims,\" Feb. 20) makes a
compelling case that the Muslims will never make any progress until they
start looking within for what ails them.

I would add, though, that this cannot happen so long as adherents of Islam
place Islam before every other institution, including government.

Successful democracies understand that there has to be separation of church
and state, and freedom to practice whatever religion (or lack of religion)
that one chooses.

Muslims would argue that they allow non-Muslims freedom of religion, but
there can be no real freedom without separation of church and state.

The logical extension of a \"religious Democracy\" is the creation of two
classes of citizens, adherents of that religion and nonadherents. A culture
that insists on mixing church and state is inevitably monolithic and
intolerant, and, ultimately, tyrannical and corrupt.

Even more important is that such a system cannot coexist with other
cultures around the world, as they cannot no more tolerate differences
outside their respective nations than within them.

H. Bishop Dansby
Keezletown



***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]

***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

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Paul Duca

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:29 am
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in article 1141305449.961120.33990 DeleteThis @p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, Wide Eyed
in Wonder at kands00 DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote on 3/2/06 8:17 AM:

> You cannot have success, unless you have a purpose to succeed at. How
> are you doing at God's purpose for you.
>



Since you couldn't get the pay for pray plan working on your
website, I'd say God didn't have too much of a purpose for you.


Paul


Oh...didn't you say you were leaving Usenet and never coming back?

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Robibnikoff

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:14 pm
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141305449.961120.33990@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
You cannot have success, unless you have a purpose to succeed at. How
are you doing at God's purpose for you.

Fuck your god!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Gray Shockley

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:12 am
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:17:30 -0600, Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote
(in article <1141305449.961120.33990.RemoveThis@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>):

> You cannot have success, unless you have a purpose to succeed at. How
> are you doing at God's purpose for you.



32:15 Verily, it is truthfully said that arrogant top-posters will
spend eternity getting a Clorox® enema every 15 minutes.







>
> "all things have been created through him and for him." Colossians
> 1:16
>
>
> buckeye-elo.RemoveThis@nospam.net wrote:
>> Success Depends On Freedom
>> http://www.dailynews-record.com/search_letterdetails.php?LID=968&key=Success
>> %20Depends%20On%20Freedom&title=&date1=&date2=
>> Harrisonburg Daily News Record - Harrisonburg,VA,USA
>>
>> Max Boot (Viewpoint, \"Complaining Won't Help Muslims,\" Feb. 20) makes a
>> compelling case that the Muslims will never make any progress until they
>> start looking within for what ails them.
>>
>> I would add, though, that this cannot happen so long as adherents of Islam
>> place Islam before every other institution, including government.
>>
>> Successful democracies understand that there has to be separation of church
>> and state, and freedom to practice whatever religion (or lack of religion)
>> that one chooses.
>>
>> Muslims would argue that they allow non-Muslims freedom of religion, but
>> there can be no real freedom without separation of church and state.
>>
>> The logical extension of a \"religious Democracy\" is the creation of two
>> classes of citizens, adherents of that religion and nonadherents. A culture
>> that insists on mixing church and state is inevitably monolithic and
>> intolerant, and, ultimately, tyrannical and corrupt.
>>
>> Even more important is that such a system cannot coexist with other
>> cultures around the world, as they cannot no more tolerate differences
>> outside their respective nations than within them.
>>
>> H. Bishop Dansby
>> Keezletown
>>
>>
>>
>> ***************************************************************
>> You are invited to check out the following:
>>
>> The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
>> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
>>
>> American Theocrats - Past and Present
>> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
>>
>> The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
>> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
>>
>> [and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
>> Church and State in general, listed below]
>>
>> HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
>>
>> [Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
>> all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
>>
>> ***************************************************************
>> . . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
>> respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
>> take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
>> page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
>> 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
>> Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
>> . . .
>> ****************************************************************
>> USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
>>
>> "You pilot always into an unknown future;
>> facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
>>
>> That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
>> many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
>>
>> It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
>> plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
>> almost every media turn.
>>
>> *****************************************************************
>> THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
>> SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
>>
>> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
>> ****************************************************************
>
> Ken Clifton
> http://lulu.com/writingken
>
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