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fricfrac76

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:20 pm
Post subject: Tough Choice: Kettering + Scholarship vs. University of Florida...Please Help!
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Hello,

I've been accepted to Kettering University in Flint, Michigan. (I've
also been accepted to UW-Madison, UF, UMCP, & Georgia Tech). All I
know about the school is that it has a strong co-op program. I am
wondering if anyone can tell me something about this school (i.e., how
good is it?, is the co-op worth the extra time in school?, etc.,).

As an incentive to attend, they have awarded me a pretty hefty
scholarship and they are really putting on the pressure by calling and
mailing stuff every day. What's more, they keep demanding that I
respond during the next 2 weeks and let them know whether or not I
will definitively be attending in January but I'm afraid that if I
send my tuition deposit and confirm my housing contract, that I'd be
held contractually obligated to attend Kettering.

This is all well and good, except that the other univerisities have
yet to send me their financial aid statements and I can't make a
decision until then. What's more, as a native Floridian, attending the
University of Florida may be cheaper than attending the private
Kettering University (even after the scholarship!).

Please, somebody help! What are my options?!

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Abe Kohen

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:18 pm
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wrote in message

> Hello,
>
> I've been accepted to Kettering University in Flint, Michigan. (I've
> also been accepted to UW-Madison, UF, UMCP, & Georgia Tech). All I
> know about the school is that it has a strong co-op program. I am
> wondering if anyone can tell me something about this school (i.e., how
> good is it?, is the co-op worth the extra time in school?, etc.,).

Kettering U? Is this the former GM U?

Freshman applicant with decisions in November? For which semester?

Georgia Tech and UW-Madison are top engineering schools.

>
> As an incentive to attend, they have awarded me a pretty hefty
> scholarship and they are really putting on the pressure by calling and
> mailing stuff every day. What's more, they keep demanding that I
> respond during the next 2 weeks and let them know whether or not I
> will definitively be attending in January but I'm afraid that if I
> send my tuition deposit and confirm my housing contract, that I'd be
> held contractually obligated to attend Kettering.
>
> This is all well and good, except that the other univerisities have
> yet to send me their financial aid statements and I can't make a
> decision until then. What's more, as a native Floridian, attending the
> University of Florida may be cheaper than attending the private
> Kettering University (even after the scholarship!).

Cheaper now, but what about the long run?

Abe

>
> Please, somebody help! What are my options?!

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thc

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Tough Choice: Kettering + Scholarship vs. University of Florida...Please Help! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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fricfrac76.DeleteThis@netzero.net wrote in message ...
> Hello,
>
> I've been accepted to Kettering University in Flint, Michigan. (I've
> also been accepted to UW-Madison, UF, UMCP, & Georgia Tech).

Georgia Tech is good for engineering (and little else) but there is a
huge downside.

http://www.studentsreview.com - More than 50% of the Georgia Tech
students surveyed on this MIT student website say they wish they had
gone to another school. The uncensored comments are overwhelmingly
negative. Students at comparable engineering schools - MIT, Stanford,
Duke and Carnegie-Mellon, and others – seem to like their schools
fine. At U.S. News & World Report, GT ranks at the bottom for freshman
retention, % graduating in six years, and student satisfaction, based
on alumni donations.

http://www.princetonreview.com - In 2002, based on 100,000 interviews
at 345 schools, Georgia Tech rates #2 for the "least happy" student
body in the country, and #4 for professors who "squeeze the life out
of the material." In 2003, Tech was #3 for lousy professors. Tech gets
low rankings in half a dozen other negative categories, as well.

http://www.assessment.gatech.edu/eReports/Negative%20Publicity%20at%20...rgia%20
Georgia Tech's on internal report on the Princeton Review showed GT
students significantly less happy with the quality of their education
and their college experience, than their peers at similar schools.

http://www.geocities.com/gtsux2002/ - This website, by Georgia Tech
students, says it all in its name. The Washington Post article on
Georgia Tech (see links page) is textbook on how Tech treats its
students.

http://www.police.gatech.edu - Georgia Tech is unsafe. For nine years
Atlanta has been ranked by Morgan Quinto in the top three most
dangerous cities in the country and Georgia Tech is located smack in
the middle of one of the city's most dangerous crime areas. In 1999,
Tech was ranked in the top 20 most dangerous college campuses in the
country. A series of articles in the Georgia Tech student newspaper –
The Technique (July 12, Nov. 1, 2002 & Jan 31, March 14 & 21, 2003 -
http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/technique/ ) detail rising campus crime,
including students robbed at gunpoint in dorms and women sexually
assaulted in the student center.

http://www.blackenterprise.com/ExclusivesekOpen.asp?id=106 Black
Enterprise magazine – Jan. 2003 issue – Based on interviews with some
200 African-American professionals and academics, BE picks Atlanta as
a top destination for African-American college students, but redneck
Georgia Tech fails to make the grade. BE lists four Atlanta schools –
three traditionally black schools and Emory - as recommended in the
top 50. BE names half-a-dozen engineering schools as minority
friendly, but not Georgia Tech.

Business Week magazine – Oct. 21, 2002 issue - While Business Week
names its top 30 MBA schools, Georgia Tech was deleted from its
recommended list. It is the only school in the 2000 list to be removed
from the 2002 list. US News followed suit and dropped GT from its top
50 in April 2003. To see how Georgia Tech compares with other business
management programs, go to www.bschool.com/ussbys.html and see a
side-by-side comparisons of the best business programs in the nation
and world. Georgia Tech does not make a single list, including those,
like Financial Times, that rank the top 100.

Finally, Georgia Tech has raised its out-of-state costs to almost
$25,000 in the last two years, while slashing its operating budget.
That means higher prices, more crowded classrooms, fewer class
offerings and more classes taught by grad students. Tech brags that it
takes five or more years to "get out" – as if from boot camp, making
it more expensive than most private schools. Considering that
Princeton Review ranks GT in the top 20 for lousy professors, dorms
like dungeons, bad food and poor quality of life, out-of-state
students do not get what they pay for.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:00 am
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"Abe Kohen" wrote in message ...
>
> Kettering U? Is this the former GM U?
>
> Freshman applicant with decisions in November? For which semester?
>
> Georgia Tech and UW-Madison are top engineering schools.

Abe,

General Motors Institute changed it's name to Kettering University in
1998.

Transfer student begining in January 2004 (Spring term)

I know about GT and UW...I've got my heart set on GT, though.

> Cheaper now, but what about the long run?

That's the trouble. I'd prefer Georgia Tech over all the others but
have yet to get a clear picture of what my financial responsibilities
will be. I know that Kettering's yearly tuition is 20k versus UF's
(in-state) tuition of roughly 10k. The scholarship I've been awarded
from Kettering will cover full tuition for the first year and half
tuition for the second and third. I suspect, however, that the
University of Florida's College of Engineering might be more reputable
than Kettering's given that UF is a large, research-oriented
university whereas Kettering appears to be a sort of glorified
vocational school. I could be wrong, however. Furthermore, these
reputations may hurt my chances in getting into graduate school.
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