Transfer Admissions

PS Most elite colleges only give need based aid, not merit based aid to
anyone , international or not. They don't have to be overly generous with
their money. They have so many applicants they can choose who they want. Of
the other other 90% of the colleges in the US about half will give
international students at least some aid. I know Carleton gives
international students merit money sometimes and they are considered an
elite liberal arts school (top 5, I believe) but I don't know about
transfers-you could check them. I don't know about others, perhaps someone
else does.
I guess my point is that you should not count on the elite colleges to help
you much, but there are plenty of outstanding colleges in this country that
are not elite.
-B


"Raskolnikov" wrote in message

> I am an international student currently doing my undergraduate at a
> college in NJ. I am a Presidential Scholar here, and I have a GPA of
> 3.87 for my Fall Semester (my first semester). I am trying hard to get
> a 4 this spring semester. I want to transfer to some elite colleges
> and universities, but being an international student, it's difficult
> for me to get scholarships for transfer admissions. Does anyone know
> how I can get information about colleges offering transfer scholarship
> to international students?
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Raskolnikov wrote in message
...

Without further details, I hesitate to give advice. What is your current
level (freshman, sophomore, or?). What is your intended major? What are
the "elite" colleges you are considering?

Each of these affect your decision. In general, transfer after your
sophomore year. If you really hate the current college, you can try
transferring after your freshman year, but I think your odds are a little
better as a sophomore. Community college transfers occur at that point.

If your major is one where graduate study is rare, then the elite
undergraduate degree may be highly useful. If it's common to go onward,
then your undergraduate college may be less of an issue.

Finally, not all schools are enthusiastic about transfers. Princeton has
not accepted them at all for years, although that's changing. Cal Tech
accepts a painfully small number of transfers. OTOH, the best publics are
generally more open to sophomore transfers than the Ivies, I think.

Are you planning on leaving the U.S. on completion of your undergraduate
degree, or continuing with graduate work? If the latter, I'd suggest you
strongly consider finishing your bachelor's degree there, and start working
on your graduate plans at some of the "elite" colleges you are considering.

Good luck,

Hank Murphy
speaking only for myself
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"Hank Murphy" wrote in message ...
> Raskolnikov wrote in message
> ...
>
> Without further details, I hesitate to give advice. What is your current
> level (freshman, sophomore, or?). What is your intended major? What are
> the "elite" colleges you are considering?
>
> Each of these affect your decision. In general, transfer after your
> sophomore year. If you really hate the current college, you can try
> transferring after your freshman year, but I think your odds are a little
> better as a sophomore. Community college transfers occur at that point.
>
> If your major is one where graduate study is rare, then the elite
> undergraduate degree may be highly useful. If it's common to go onward,
> then your undergraduate college may be less of an issue.
>
> Finally, not all schools are enthusiastic about transfers. Princeton has
> not accepted them at all for years, although that's changing. Cal Tech
> accepts a painfully small number of transfers. OTOH, the best publics are
> generally more open to sophomore transfers than the Ivies, I think.
>
> Are you planning on leaving the U.S. on completion of your undergraduate
> degree, or continuing with graduate work? If the latter, I'd suggest you
> strongly consider finishing your bachelor's degree there, and start working
> on your graduate plans at some of the "elite" colleges you are considering.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Hank Murphy
> speaking only for myself




Hello,

I was informed that when you transfer to another college with out a
associates degree that you loose alot your classes when you transfer
to the new school?
I was also informed that even if you do get your Associates Degree and
then transfer, your credits to transfer to the new school, but some of
those credits are worth less and you are required to take some classes
over. Is this true?
Sincerely,
CK
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ckdip33 RemoveThis @optonline.net (Chris K.) wrote in message ...
>
> Hello,
>
> I was informed that when you transfer to another college with out a
> associates degree that you loose alot your classes when you transfer
> to the new school?
> I was also informed that even if you do get your Associates Degree and
> then transfer, your credits to transfer to the new school, but some of
> those credits are worth less and you are required to take some classes
> over. Is this true?
> Sincerely,
> CK

It depends. Any school can decide what credits they will or won't
accept. If they feel your previous courses are not adequate
preparation, certainly they will require you to take them over.

When you apply to an associate's degree program, ask what articulation
agreements they have with other schools. Such agreements generally
indicate that the other school intends to accept qualified students
who have the first school's associate's degree.

David Ames
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Chris K. wrote in message
...
<snip>
>I was informed that when you transfer to another college with out a
>associates degree that you loose alot your classes when you transfer
>to the new school?

Huh? Who is doing this "informing"?

In general, community college classes will be one-to-one in certain courses
with most four-year college curricula. Calculus one and two are pretty
standard offerings, for example, as are Psych 1, Political Science, History
of the US, et cetera.

Where the courses are not one-to-one, the CC and the four-year college may
negotiate an articulation agreement, so that students know what courses will
transfer, what courses will be accepted as elective credit, and which
courses are not acceptable. If a significant number of students transfer
from the community college to the four-year college, this will pretty well
be known to the admissions counsellors even if there is no formal
articulation agreement. YMMV. California is especially good about
articulation, but I can't say about other states.

Now, if you are pursuing strictly vocational course work - e.g.
Horticulture, Automotive Service, et cetera - you very well may lose many of
your courses. But even in some of the vocational majors, often much will
transfer, perhaps only as electives.

Talk to your CC counsellors, and talk to the admissions counsellors from the
four-year college to get a definite answer. You may find that they visit
your CC regularly.

>I was also informed that even if you do get your Associates Degree and
>then transfer, your credits to transfer to the new school, but some of
>those credits are worth less and you are required to take some classes
>over. Is this true?

Yes, this is true in some cases. Losing credits is not uncommon. Being
required to take certain classes over is much less common. But talk to the
four-year college to get a definite answer.

Hank Murphy
speaking only for myself
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