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Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
Richard E. Morgan

It has become an American reflex over the past generation for advocates who
lose in the political arena to try to kill in the courts what they can no
longer defeat in the legislature. That is happening with the school voucher
issue today. A recent national poll shows parents in favor of vouchers 82 to
13 percent: the majority of Americans with children in school seem to
understand that only competition from outside the dysfunctional,
union-dominated public school system can bring about the sweeping
educational reforms the nation needs. Black parents, whose children are
disproportionally stuck in educationally bankrupt inner-city schools,
support vouchers even more strongly, with 84 percent in favor. But teachers'
unions and their political allies, as they see their support ebb away,
reply: Too bad; school vouchers are unconstitutional, so the issue is moot.
Since many families would use them to send their children to Catholic and
other church-related schools, vouchers violate the "separation of church and
state."
Are these opponents of vouchers correct? Is there anything in the
Constitution of the United States, or in the constitutions of the several
states, that forbids such programs?
At the level of the federal Constitution, the answer should certainly be no.
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not occur in the document
(or in any of the 13 original state constitutions). The clause of the
federal Constitution that is widely, but incorrectly, held to mandate
"separation" is that part of Amendment One that forbids Congress to make any
law "respecting an establishment of religion." The original proposal,
introduced by James Madison, simply provided that a "national religion" not
be "established." While the documentary record of the First Congress is too
fragmentary to allow us to know precisely what the amendment's authors
intended by the change they wrought in Madison's language, it is safe to say
that the prohibition against laws "respecting an establishment of religion"
embodied Madison's original aim (with which no one really disagreed) of
forbidding Congress from establishing a national religion or granting any
sect or denomination preferences that might tend in that direction.
One other thing is known for sure: the provision as finally proposed by
Congress and ratified by the states was intended to prevent the central
government from interfering in the arrangements worked out within the
several states with respect to religion and the public order. After all, the
primary reason the First Congress was proposing amendments was to satisfy
the large multitude who worried that the new Constitution left the states
too exposed to central government meddling. And, of course, half the states
had some form of religious establishment in 1790-and their congressmen and
senators were determined to protect those practices.
Connecticut congressman Benjamin Huntington, for instance, was quick to
remind the House that in most of New England the support of ministers and
the "expense of building meeting houses" were "things regulated bye laws."
And while Huntington understood that the "gentleman from Virginia" did not
intend the proposed amendment to preclude such arrangements, he was worried
that "others might find it convenient to put another construction on it,"
and he wanted it clear that the provision was not meant to satisfy "those
who professed no religion at all."
In sum, the establishment clause was meant to allow the states to continue
to chart their own courses in church-state relations. At the national level,
it precluded both an established church and sectarian favoritism, but it did
not embody a policy of indifference or hostility to religion, much less a
ban on all cooperative arrangements between the central government and
religious institutions. As Robert A. Goldwin puts it in his new study of the
framing of the amendments that became the Bill of Rights: "There is solid
evidence that this Congress looked favorably on a general sort of government
aid to religion, so long as it was not preferential or discriminatory."
Of course, there were those in the early Republic who did favor radical
separation. In 1802 Thomas Jefferson broke with the practice of issuing
Thanksgiving Day proclamations, which Washington had established and which
Jefferson's successors immediately resumed. A small storm of criticism of
Jefferson's administration resulted, and in a scramble to establish some
cover, the president addressed a letter to the Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist
Association, arguing that his action was not purely personal but was
compelled by the Constitution. It was here he hatched his ill-founded
metaphor asserting that the First Amendment erected a "wall of separation"
between church and state. Along similar lines, in the 1830s, Kentucky
senator Richard ("Rumpsey-Dumpsey") Johnson led a quixotic crusade seeking
Sunday mail delivery on the grounds that its omission constituted an
establishment of religion.
But such radically separationist ideas were never mainstream. For over a
century and half after the ratification of the First Amendment, the states
charted their own courses with respect to religion and the public order.
During the nineteenth century, those with established churches gradually
disestablished them, though as late as 1902 New Hampshire's Constitution
empowered the Legislature to authorize towns to provide "public Protestant
teachers of piety, religion and morality." As established churches receded
into the past, a variety of cooperative, non-preferential arrangements
between state and local governments and religious institutions flourished.
In New York, for instance, the Children's Law of 1875 welcomed sectarian
child-care institutions as part of a state-funded system of institutional
care. In some poor, predominantly Catholic, school districts from Maine to
Missouri (where supporting a separate public school for the few non-Catholic
children would have been impractical), parochial schools eliminated
religious instruction during most of the school day, accepted all children
from the community without regard to religion, and received some public
support for maintenance and for teachers' compensation. In New York, this
arrangement, called the Poughkeepsie Plan, persisted until it was targeted
for elimination by politically powerful nativist forces late in the
nineteenth century.
At the national level, wherever the federal government directly provided for
local governance and social services-in the territories, the military, the
Indian reservations, and the District of Columbia-it followed a similar
course without constitutional embarrassment. For example, the same Congress
that proposed the First Amendment to the states reenacted the Northwest
Ordinance, which provided not only for freedom of religion in the
territories but also for the "encouragement of religion, and education, and
schools," by (among other things) setting land aside "for the purposes of
religion." And in 1899 the Supreme Court approved a congressional
appropriation to pay for an addition to a Roman Catholic hospital in
Washington.
So where does the constitutional argument against voucher plans come from?
The short answer is that, as with so much contemporary mischief, it comes
from the Supreme Court-and especially, the Warren Court of the 1960s.
The developments of the sixties and seventies have their prelude in a famous
1947 Supreme Court decision called Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing,
New Jersey. New Jersey had authorized local school boards to reimburse
parents for the fares their children paid on regular bus lines getting to
and from school-whether public or parochial school. One Arch A. Everson
challenged the expenditure as violating the establishment clause. Everson
was a member of the Order of United American Mechanics, a nativist
organization dating from the Know-Nothing movement of the 1850s and
dedicated to the exclusion of Roman Catholic institutions from American
public life. The Order filed an amicus curiae brief in support of Everson's
position. Justice Hugo Black wrote the opinion of the Court, and from the
vantage point of 50 years later, it stands out as a shockingly poor piece of
work.
The most fundamental issue the case presented was one of federalism, and
here, it might have seemed, Everson faced an insurmountable barrier. For the
Court to find in his favor, it would have to undo a century and a half of
precedent and hold that the establishment clause applied to acts of the
states. On what argument could the Court do that? Justice Black solved this
problem by ignoring it; without any argument at all, he simply asserted that
the states were bound by the prohibition against Congress making laws
"respecting an establishment of religion."
It is difficult to overstate the seriousness of this blunder. A
constitutional provision intended, in large measure, to shield the states
from federal meddling with the choices they made about relations between
government and religious institutions was turned into a potential engine of
federal power against them. Black could do this because he did not
understand the establishment clause, as both its framers and modern
scholarship understand it, as serving multiple but limited purposes, one of
which was to protect the federal structure of the American union. He saw it,
rather, as a blunt mandate of strict separation, and he apparently concluded
that, if it was important enough to have been put in the Bill of Rights as a
rule for the national government, it was important enough to impose on the
states as part of that "due process of law" required by the Fourteenth
Amendment. His opinion contains no references to the framing or ratification
of the First Amendment or to how the establishment clause was understood by
any of the great nineteenth-century constitutional commentators. In 1833,
for example, Justice Joseph Story had written that "the whole power over the
subject of religion is left entirely to the state governments," and in 1883,
Judge Thomas Cooley had explained that "a law respecting an establishment of
religion," as the First Amendment puts it, would be one that would "effect a
union of Church and State, or . . . establish preferences in law in favor of
any one religious persuasion or mode of worship."
Instead of resting upon long-settled legal understandings, Black's opinion
pivoted on Jefferson's idiosyncratic letter to the Danbury Baptists, with
its naked assertion that the establishment clause had "erected a wall of
separation between church and state"-a metaphor that misrepresented our
constitutional history but captured perfectly the separationist
fundamentalism to which the justice had been exposed in his youth in
Alabama, as a member of another nativist organization-the Ku Klux Klan.
Though Black's mangling of the establishment clause would draw plenty of
fire in the future, it drew little at the time, probably because Black
emerged from the Everson case looking like a moderate. For all his primitive
separationism, he upheld the New Jersey law: he simply did not see returning
the nickels and dimes to New Jersey parents as aid to the parochial schools.
In his view, the state was aiding the schoolchildren themselves, providing
for their safety-just as it did in providing smallpox vaccinations, which no
one doubted could go to parochial as well as public school pupils.
In the wake of Everson, those favoring the traditional American policy of
accommodation and cooperation between government and church-related
institutions hoped that the actual, commonsensical result Black had reached
might prove more important than the radically separationist part of his
opinion. Perhaps as long as government programs were intended to aid
students, and benefited schools only incidentally, the states might retain
some flexibility. And indeed, through the decade of the 1950s it remained
unclear the extent to which Justice Black's strict separationism had become
the official doctrine of the Supreme Court. Decisions pointed in different
directions.
But hopes for judicial moderation proved illusory. In the early 1960s, the
Court, under Earl Warren, returned with a vengeance to Black's broad-brush
separationism in decisions striking down school prayer and otherwise
commanding a thoroughgoing secularization of the American public square.
What Black had launched in Everson was a myth-the myth of a strict
separationist American past. The sixties saw the rise of a militant
secularism-a mind-set Justice Anthony Kennedy later described as "an
unjustified hostility toward religion"-and the carriers of this militant
secularism were precisely the liberal elites who dominated the country's
intellectual and political life in that period. Black's myth was tailor-made
for them, regarding religion and religious institutions, as they did, as
forces of reaction and obscurantism standing in the way of secular
progress-forces from which schoolchildren, in particular, needed protection.
The liberals then dominating the Supreme Court faithfully reflected this
attitude. Sometimes the opinion was by Black himself, sometimes by Tom Clark
or Abe Fortas. The effect was to lock strict separationism tightly into
constitutional law.
Surprisingly, with the arrival of Chief Justice Warren Burger in the 1970s,
things got even worse. In a series of cases, beginning with Lemon v.
Kurtzman in 1971, the Court struck down state efforts to include
religious-school students in general programs of educational enrichment, and
it evolved a new test, the "Lemon test," to be used to determine whether a
public program complied with the establishment clause. The requirement was
threefold: the program must have been enacted to serve a secular legislative
purpose; the program's "primary effect" must neither advance nor inhibit
religion; and the operation of the program must not involve government in
"excessive entanglement" with church-related institutions. Any program that
significantly benefited a religious school, even incidentally, the Court
held, would have the "primary effect of advancing religion." Armed with this
rigid formulation ("the fruit of the Lemon tree," one commentator called
it), the separationist block on the Court, led by Justice William Brennan,
continued to scythe down most programs that aided church-related schools
into the early 1980s.
This militant judicial separationism reached its zenith in Brennan's
majority opinion in Aguilar v. Felton in 1985. New York City, using federal
funds under Title 1 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965,
provided services to educationally deprived children in low-income areas by
allowing public school teachers to go into church-related schools to teach
math and reading and to provide guidance counseling. The schools removed
religious symbols from classrooms during the public school teachers' visits,
and city education officials kept watch to ensure that the publicly provided
instruction really was kept separate from programs of religious instruction.
Brennan pounced on this monitoring, declaring that it constituted "excessive
entanglement." The city was reduced to buying trailers (with scarce
educational dollars) and parking them at the curbside outside schools, so
the children could troop out to receive the services.
But even as Brennan triumphed in Aguilar, an intellectual counterattack
against the strict separationist misreading of the establishment clause was
finally gaining traction and undercutting the shallow historical foundation
on which the Court's separationism rested. Among the most important examples
of the new scholarship, Walter Berns's The First Amendment and the Future of
American Democracy had appeared in 1976, followed by Michael Malbin's
Religion and Politics: The Intentions of the Authors of the First Amendment
in 1978 and Robert Cord's Separation of Church and State in 1982. Carefully
and persistently, these authors exploded the separationist myth that Black
had conjured up in 1947. Even within the legal academy (where strict
separationism had been credulously accepted in the 1960s), the Lemon test
was coming under criticism from such figures as Professors Philip Kurland
and Michael McConnell of the University of Chicago Law School and Mary Ann
Glendon of the Harvard Law School as a wooden and unwieldy instrument for
dealing with contemporary America's multiplicity of differently nuanced
church-state issues.
All this ferment came to a head in a lengthy, impassioned dissenting opinion
by then-justice Rehnquist in a case called Wallace v. Jaffree, decided a few
weeks after Aguilar in the spring of 1985. Here the Brennan bloc struck down
a state law providing for a moment of silence as part of the opening of the
public school day. The majority insisted this was a backdoor encouragement
of prayer by the state. Incredible as it now appears, Rehnquist's dissent
contained the first full review of the historical evidence on the framing
and original meaning of the establishment clause by any member of the Court,
and his conclusion was devastating: "The Establishment Clause did not
require government neutrality between religion and irreligion nor did it
prohibit the federal government from providing non-discriminatory aid to
religion. There is simply no historical foundation for the position that the
Framers intended to build the 'wall of separation' that was
constitutionalized in Everson."
Things have never been the same for radical separationism; it has been on
the intellectual defensive ever since, with major scholarship adding to its
discomfort year by year, and new members of the Court distancing themselves
from the doctrine. Despite labored attempts by Justice David Souter and by a
few die-hard professors, the intellectual dominance of Warren-era
separationism cannot be restored either within the judiciary or the academy.
Does this mean the battle to reclaim the constitutional law of church and
state has been won and the future of vouchers is assured? No; but the
outlook is brighter than ever before. Two justices, Clarence Thomas and
Antonin Scalia, are in full agreement with Rehnquist's traditionalist
reading of the establishment clause. Two others, Anthony Kennedy and Sandra
Day O'Connor, are not prepared to turn their backs on Everson, but they have
both been critical of what they see as mechanical applications of the Lemon
test and have shown some flexibility on church-state issues. Four justices
continue to constitute a strict separationist bloc-John Paul Stevens, David
Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer-but even here some observers
suspect, based on hints buried in earlier decisions, that one or more of
them might support vouchers. Professor Laurence Tribe, Harvard's
left-leaning legal guru (who personally thinks vouchers are a "lousy idea"),
is also a very shrewd Court watcher, and he predicts that six or seven
justices might vote to sustain them.
Furthermore, the Court has already made some significant breaks with its
separationist past in its case law-notably, its reversal, in the spring of
1997, of Aguilar v. Felton. Invoking a little-used Supreme Court rule that
allows one of the original parties to a case to move to reopen it if
subsequent decisions of the Court have "eroded" the foundation of the
original decision, New York City persuaded the Court to reopen-and
overturn-Aguilar. Justice O'Connor, writing for the majority, held that
recent decisions of the Court had modified the Lemon test: no longer would
incidental benefits to religious institutions be held to have the effect of
"advancing religion," and no longer would it be presumed that public
employees functioning in sectarian institutional settings would require the
kind of government monitoring that would create "excessive entanglement." As
a result, the Board of Education teachers could go back into the parochial
schools, and the trailers could be hauled away.
This new decision, Agostini v. Felton, had an almost immediate salutary
effect in the legal battle over vouchers. The Milwaukee Parental Choice
Program, one of the nation's most promising voucher experiments, had been
tied up in a legal challenge for years and was before the Wisconsin Supreme
Court when Agostini came down. Last June, in a 4-2 decision, that court
sustained the program against both state and federal constitutional
challenges. The impact of Justice O'Connor's opinion in the New York case
was evident throughout Judge Donald W. Steinmetz's majority opinion in
Wisconsin. While dutifully noting that on the federal establishment clause
issue he was required to follow Lemon, Steinmetz noted that its "continued
authority . . . is uncertain," and he treated it as a general guide with
plenty of play at the joints.
Various parties to the Wisconsin suit have filed petitions asking the U.S.
Supreme Court to review the decision, and we should know within the next few
months whether the justices will agree to do so. But even should the Court
decline to take the Wisconsin case, there are enough others moving forward
around the country (including cases from Ohio, Vermont, and Maine) to make a
Supreme Court resolution of the matter likely sooner rather than later.
But even if things are looking up for vouchers at the federal constitutional
level, what about the state constitutions? Many of them, including New
York's, contain a "Blaine amendment"-a provision that specifically prohibits
state support of religious schools. It is often argued that in these states,
at least, voucher plans are unconstitutional, whatever the U.S. Supreme
Court decides. This argument is just as wrongheaded as arguments relying on
the federal establishment clause.
Seeing why requires a brief historical detour. The mid-1870s saw the first
of three major surges of bitterly anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant nativist
sentiment that disfigured post-Civil War America. (The second, particularly
relevant to New York, was in the mid-1890s, and the third in the early
1920s.) In 1875 the faltering Grant administration, stained by scandal and
casting about for a way to revive Republican prospects before the election
of 1876, moved to exploit this resurgent anti-Catholicism. Grant himself
delivered a tub-thumping speech before the veterans of the Army of the
Tennessee, urging them to see that "not one dollar appropriated" for
education be spent to support any but "free"-that is,
government-run-schools.
At this point, that prince of political opportunists, James G. Blaine, the
Maine Republican who was minority leader of the House of Representatives,
took the lead (it would be in Blaine's 1884 presidential campaign that the
Democrats would find themselves branded as the party of "Rum, Romanism, and
Rebellion"). He introduced the following amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
"No state shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; and no money raised by taxation in
any state for the support of the public schools . . . shall ever be under
the control of any religious sect." Blaine's amendment passed the House 180
to 7, but with 98 members not voting. In the Senate, a weaker version fell
short of the necessary two-thirds vote.
But thereafter, the idea of writing into state constitutions an explicit
provision guaranteeing that Catholic parochial schools would never receive a
share of the common school fund become a leading item on the agenda of
nativist thought and agitation. It received strong support from such
benighted and intolerant groups as the American Protective Association,
which spearheaded the anti-Catholic insurgency of the mid-1890s, and the
revived Ku Klux Klan, the most powerful organization in the nativist
outbreak of the l920s. Responding to these pressures, a number of states
added these provisions to their constitutions.
New York's Blaine amendment (actually Article XI, Section 3, of the state
Constitution) provides that "neither the state nor any subdivision thereof
shall use its property, directly or indirectly, in aid or maintenance . . .
of any school or institution of learning wholly or in part under the control
or direction of any religious denomination, or in which any denominational
tenet or doctrine is taught. . . ."
New York framed its present Constitution in 1894, at the peak of that
decade's anti-Catholic furor. The American Protective Association was a
major political force upstate that year, purporting to defend "true
Americanism" against the "subjects of an un-American ecclesiastical
institution" and retailing bogus papal encyclicals calling on Catholics to
"exterminate all heretics." A more genteel (but even more effective)
nativist formation, centered in the city and the southern counties, styled
itself the National League for the Protection of American Institutions.
Historians disagree as to the relative degrees of influence these groups
exercised over the leadership of the Republican Party that controlled the
Constitutional Convention, but all concur that, in winning the inclusion of
the school provision, nativist influence was decisive. The tone was set by
John Jay, urbane great-grandson of the Founding Father and a leading New
York City anti-Catholic, who denounced "the Roman hierarchy, with whose
widely organized and relentless hostility to American schools and American
principles our people . . . are fast becoming familiar." (The nativists
failed in their effort to include in the Constitution a ban on state support
of religiously affiliated hospitals and orphanages, principally because the
Jewish community maintained a number of these, and the combined strength of
Jewish and Catholic agitation was enough to determine the issue.)
Those who would today resort to New York's Blaine amendment (or to similar
provisions in other states) to attack voucher programs ought to be ashamed
of themselves. Wherever adopted, such provisions were the handiwork of men
whose vision of America was anything but pluralistic; they are part of the
darker side of our history. It is a bitter irony that some of the groups now
most ready to go to court on the basis of Blaine provisions-the American
Civil Liberties Union, for instance, and the Anti-Defamation League-were
originally organized to combat nativism and the kind of
One-Hundred-Percent-Americanism that sought to marginalize non-WASP
newcomers. And why in heaven's name should the NAACP be poised to defend the
handiwork of groups, including the Klan, that were uniformly hostile to the
aspirations of America's black people? Moreover, viewing religious schools,
and post-Vatican II Roman Catholic schools in particular, as dangerous
threats to American liberty is, to say the least, atavistic.
Aside from their unsavory origins, Blaine amendments are not, as a legal
matter, fatal to school choice plans that include religious schools. What is
forbidden by New York's Article XI, Section 3, for instance, is "aid," and
there is no reason-historical, logical, or legal-to understand this term as
encompassing any and all monies that might flow to church-related schools as
a result of some governmental program. In affirming the Milwaukee Parental
Choice Program, the Wisconsin Supreme Court had to deal with an objection
based on a Blaine-type provision in the Wisconsin Constitution. In response,
Judge Steinmetz and his colleagues relied on an earlier Wisconsin decision
in a case upholding tuition payments for veterans at religiously affiliated
high schools and colleges: "The contention that financial benefit accrues to
religion from [this program] is . . . untenable. Only the increased cost to
such schools occasioned by the attendance of beneficiaries is to be
reimbursed. They are not enriched by the service they render. Mere
reimbursement is not aid."
And this was exactly the position the New York State Court of Appeals took
on the last occasion it was asked to construe Article XI, Section 3. The
decision was in 1967, upholding an early Rockefeller program that lent
publicly purchased textbooks to independent schools, including those with
religious affiliations. With respect to the Blaine objection, Judge John F.
Scileppi wrote: "Since there is no intention to assist parochial schools as
such, any benefit accruing to those schools is a collateral effect of the
statute, and, therefore, cannot be properly classified as the giving of aid
directly or indirectly." Thus, the seemingly ferocious ban in New York's
Blaine amendment against giving aid to church-related schools either
"directly or indirectly" collapses in the case of vouchers, once it is
understood that, absent an "intention to assist," no aid is involved at all.
After all, what the original backers of Blaine amendments were aiming at was
the proposal, made by certain adventurous Catholic spokesmen in the late
nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, that parochial schools should
receive equal government funding with the public schools. Such a general
governmental underwriting of a religious school system, to which church
authorities exhorted Catholic parents to send their children, is altogether
different from what happens under a voucher plan. Here public funds are
placed at the disposal of parents in a program that is neutral among various
kinds of schools-the voucher might be used at a better public school in
another district or even another town; it might be used at a charter school;
or it might be used at a private school, either religious or non-religious.
The independent decisions of non-governmental third parties guide the
transmission of funds. Constitutional language designed a century ago to
preclude the complete funding of a sectarian school system cannot be
stretched to apply to vouchers today.
The constitutional assault on vouchers is as perverse at the state level as
it is at the federal. After all, for many years vouchers have been
acceptable at religiously affiliated colleges and universities and at
preschool and day-care facilities. Why should K-through-12 be different? The
traditional American understanding of the separation of church and state is
one of pragmatic flexibility, open to accommodations between religion and
the public order so long as these are non-discriminatory and not coercive of
conscience. The strict separationism of the old nativists, and of Justice
Black and the Warren Court, were aberrations.
Of course, defenders of the discredited views still control many commanding
heights in the media, the universities, and the legal profession. Justice
Black's Everson version of separation held sway for almost half a century,
taught from middle school to law school. Many judges still accept it
uncritically. The liberal establishment is determined to protect it and
extend it into a new century: "Breaching the Church-State Wall," the New
York Times cried in alarm, in response to the Wisconsin voucher decision.
The accumulated result of years of separationist bullying was hilariously
revealed a few years ago when former president George Bush was asked to
recall his thoughts as a young naval aviator, shot down and pitched into the
waters of the South Pacific. "What sustains you in times like that?" he
said. "Well, you go back to fundamental values. I thought about Mother and
Dad and the strength I got from them, and God, and faith-and the separation
of church and state." Now, we are not really to suppose that, as he
frantically paddled that "little yellow raft off the coast of an enemy-held
island," Lieutenant Bush was reflecting on Jefferson's letter to the Danbury
Baptists. What was operating was the reflex of an experienced,
late-twentieth-century American politician: better not invoke the Deity,
even in such a profoundly personal context, without immediately appeasing
the strict separationists.
It is time to put an end to such nonsense.

--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.

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Dana wrote:

> http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
> Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
> Richard E. Morgan

Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.

I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant south
wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
people...just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
example.

I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education, not religious people, poor
people, rich people educations.

My taxes are to be used for public education.

This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get
another tax break. The attempts to use vouchers is not help public
education.

A few years back, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads
attempted to foist their vouchers on the CA public. 640,000 kids of
these shitheads were in private schools. They wanted $8,000 per year
vouchers. Without ONE SINGLE KID going into the voucher program $5.12
billion would have been removed from public education to appease the
rich and religious. Fuck em. Fortunately people realized how
despicable these GOP feces are and shut them down.

These motherfuckers could care less about other people and their kids.
They want a break for themselves at the expense of the working class.
They want an uneducated class to service them in the future.

Piss on them and and the evil they rode in on.

Be vigilent about these soulless, phony vitue and moral people. Oppose
them where ever they are.
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Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
Richard E. Morgan

It has become an American reflex over the past generation for advocates who
lose in the political arena to try to kill in the courts what they can no
longer defeat in the legislature. That is happening with the school voucher
issue today. A recent national poll shows parents in favor of vouchers 82 to
13 percent: the majority of Americans with children in school seem to
understand that only competition from outside the dysfunctional,
union-dominated public school system can bring about the sweeping
educational reforms the nation needs. Black parents, whose children are
disproportionally stuck in educationally bankrupt inner-city schools,
support vouchers even more strongly, with 84 percent in favor. But teachers'
unions and their political allies, as they see their support ebb away,
reply: Too bad; school vouchers are unconstitutional, so the issue is moot.
Since many families would use them to send their children to Catholic and
other church-related schools, vouchers violate the "separation of church and
state."
Are these opponents of vouchers correct? Is there anything in the
Constitution of the United States, or in the constitutions of the several
states, that forbids such programs?
At the level of the federal Constitution, the answer should certainly be no.
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not occur in the document
(or in any of the 13 original state constitutions). The clause of the
federal Constitution that is widely, but incorrectly, held to mandate
"separation" is that part of Amendment One that forbids Congress to make any
law "respecting an establishment of religion." The original proposal,
introduced by James Madison, simply provided that a "national religion" not
be "established." While the documentary record of the First Congress is too
fragmentary to allow us to know precisely what the amendment's authors
intended by the change they wrought in Madison's language, it is safe to say
that the prohibition against laws "respecting an establishment of religion"
embodied Madison's original aim (with which no one really disagreed) of
forbidding Congress from establishing a national religion or granting any
sect or denomination preferences that might tend in that direction.
One other thing is known for sure: the provision as finally proposed by
Congress and ratified by the states was intended to prevent the central
government from interfering in the arrangements worked out within the
several states with respect to religion and the public order. After all, the
primary reason the First Congress was proposing amendments was to satisfy
the large multitude who worried that the new Constitution left the states
too exposed to central government meddling. And, of course, half the states
had some form of religious establishment in 1790-and their congressmen and
senators were determined to protect those practices.
Connecticut congressman Benjamin Huntington, for instance, was quick to
remind the House that in most of New England the support of ministers and
the "expense of building meeting houses" were "things regulated bye laws."
And while Huntington understood that the "gentleman from Virginia" did not
intend the proposed amendment to preclude such arrangements, he was worried
that "others might find it convenient to put another construction on it,"
and he wanted it clear that the provision was not meant to satisfy "those
who professed no religion at all."
In sum, the establishment clause was meant to allow the states to continue
to chart their own courses in church-state relations. At the national level,
it precluded both an established church and sectarian favoritism, but it did
not embody a policy of indifference or hostility to religion, much less a
ban on all cooperative arrangements between the central government and
religious institutions. As Robert A. Goldwin puts it in his new study of the
framing of the amendments that became the Bill of Rights: "There is solid
evidence that this Congress looked favorably on a general sort of government
aid to religion, so long as it was not preferential or discriminatory."
Of course, there were those in the early Republic who did favor radical
separation. In 1802 Thomas Jefferson broke with the practice of issuing
Thanksgiving Day proclamations, which Washington had established and which
Jefferson's successors immediately resumed. A small storm of criticism of
Jefferson's administration resulted, and in a scramble to establish some
cover, the president addressed a letter to the Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist
Association, arguing that his action was not purely personal but was
compelled by the Constitution. It was here he hatched his ill-founded
metaphor asserting that the First Amendment erected a "wall of separation"
between church and state. Along similar lines, in the 1830s, Kentucky
senator Richard ("Rumpsey-Dumpsey") Johnson led a quixotic crusade seeking
Sunday mail delivery on the grounds that its omission constituted an
establishment of religion.
But such radically separationist ideas were never mainstream. For over a
century and half after the ratification of the First Amendment, the states
charted their own courses with respect to religion and the public order.
During the nineteenth century, those with established churches gradually
disestablished them, though as late as 1902 New Hampshire's Constitution
empowered the Legislature to authorize towns to provide "public Protestant
teachers of piety, religion and morality." As established churches receded
into the past, a variety of cooperative, non-preferential arrangements
between state and local governments and religious institutions flourished.
In New York, for instance, the Children's Law of 1875 welcomed sectarian
child-care institutions as part of a state-funded system of institutional
care. In some poor, predominantly Catholic, school districts from Maine to
Missouri (where supporting a separate public school for the few non-Catholic
children would have been impractical), parochial schools eliminated
religious instruction during most of the school day, accepted all children
from the community without regard to religion, and received some public
support for maintenance and for teachers' compensation. In New York, this
arrangement, called the Poughkeepsie Plan, persisted until it was targeted
for elimination by politically powerful nativist forces late in the
nineteenth century.
At the national level, wherever the federal government directly provided for
local governance and social services-in the territories, the military, the
Indian reservations, and the District of Columbia-it followed a similar
course without constitutional embarrassment. For example, the same Congress
that proposed the First Amendment to the states reenacted the Northwest
Ordinance, which provided not only for freedom of religion in the
territories but also for the "encouragement of religion, and education, and
schools," by (among other things) setting land aside "for the purposes of
religion." And in 1899 the Supreme Court approved a congressional
appropriation to pay for an addition to a Roman Catholic hospital in
Washington.
So where does the constitutional argument against voucher plans come from?
The short answer is that, as with so much contemporary mischief, it comes
from the Supreme Court-and especially, the Warren Court of the 1960s.
The developments of the sixties and seventies have their prelude in a famous
1947 Supreme Court decision called Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing,
New Jersey. New Jersey had authorized local school boards to reimburse
parents for the fares their children paid on regular bus lines getting to
and from school-whether public or parochial school. One Arch A. Everson
challenged the expenditure as violating the establishment clause. Everson
was a member of the Order of United American Mechanics, a nativist
organization dating from the Know-Nothing movement of the 1850s and
dedicated to the exclusion of Roman Catholic institutions from American
public life. The Order filed an amicus curiae brief in support of Everson's
position. Justice Hugo Black wrote the opinion of the Court, and from the
vantage point of 50 years later, it stands out as a shockingly poor piece of
work.
The most fundamental issue the case presented was one of federalism, and
here, it might have seemed, Everson faced an insurmountable barrier. For the
Court to find in his favor, it would have to undo a century and a half of
precedent and hold that the establishment clause applied to acts of the
states. On what argument could the Court do that? Justice Black solved this
problem by ignoring it; without any argument at all, he simply asserted that
the states were bound by the prohibition against Congress making laws
"respecting an establishment of religion."
It is difficult to overstate the seriousness of this blunder. A
constitutional provision intended, in large measure, to shield the states
from federal meddling with the choices they made about relations between
government and religious institutions was turned into a potential engine of
federal power against them. Black could do this because he did not
understand the establishment clause, as both its framers and modern
scholarship understand it, as serving multiple but limited purposes, one of
which was to protect the federal structure of the American union. He saw it,
rather, as a blunt mandate of strict separation, and he apparently concluded
that, if it was important enough to have been put in the Bill of Rights as a
rule for the national government, it was important enough to impose on the
states as part of that "due process of law" required by the Fourteenth
Amendment. His opinion contains no references to the framing or ratification
of the First Amendment or to how the establishment clause was understood by
any of the great nineteenth-century constitutional commentators. In 1833,
for example, Justice Joseph Story had written that "the whole power over the
subject of religion is left entirely to the state governments," and in 1883,
Judge Thomas Cooley had explained that "a law respecting an establishment of
religion," as the First Amendment puts it, would be one that would "effect a
union of Church and State, or . . . establish preferences in law in favor of
any one religious persuasion or mode of worship."
Instead of resting upon long-settled legal understandings, Black's opinion
pivoted on Jefferson's idiosyncratic letter to the Danbury Baptists, with
its naked assertion that the establishment clause had "erected a wall of
separation between church and state"-a metaphor that misrepresented our
constitutional history but captured perfectly the separationist
fundamentalism to which the justice had been exposed in his youth in
Alabama, as a member of another nativist organization-the Ku Klux Klan.
Though Black's mangling of the establishment clause would draw plenty of
fire in the future, it drew little at the time, probably because Black
emerged from the Everson case looking like a moderate. For all his primitive
separationism, he upheld the New Jersey law: he simply did not see returning
the nickels and dimes to New Jersey parents as aid to the parochial schools.
In his view, the state was aiding the schoolchildren themselves, providing
for their safety-just as it did in providing smallpox vaccinations, which no
one doubted could go to parochial as well as public school pupils.
In the wake of Everson, those favoring the traditional American policy of
accommodation and cooperation between government and church-related
institutions hoped that the actual, commonsensical result Black had reached
might prove more important than the radically separationist part of his
opinion. Perhaps as long as government programs were intended to aid
students, and benefited schools only incidentally, the states might retain
some flexibility. And indeed, through the decade of the 1950s it remained
unclear the extent to which Justice Black's strict separationism had become
the official doctrine of the Supreme Court. Decisions pointed in different
directions.
But hopes for judicial moderation proved illusory. In the early 1960s, the
Court, under Earl Warren, returned with a vengeance to Black's broad-brush
separationism in decisions striking down school prayer and otherwise
commanding a thoroughgoing secularization of the American public square.
What Black had launched in Everson was a myth-the myth of a strict
separationist American past. The sixties saw the rise of a militant
secularism-a mind-set Justice Anthony Kennedy later described as "an
unjustified hostility toward religion"-and the carriers of this militant
secularism were precisely the liberal elites who dominated the country's
intellectual and political life in that period. Black's myth was tailor-made
for them, regarding religion and religious institutions, as they did, as
forces of reaction and obscurantism standing in the way of secular
progress-forces from which schoolchildren, in particular, needed protection.
The liberals then dominating the Supreme Court faithfully reflected this
attitude. Sometimes the opinion was by Black himself, sometimes by Tom Clark
or Abe Fortas. The effect was to lock strict separationism tightly into
constitutional law.
Surprisingly, with the arrival of Chief Justice Warren Burger in the 1970s,
things got even worse. In a series of cases, beginning with Lemon v.
Kurtzman in 1971, the Court struck down state efforts to include
religious-school students in general programs of educational enrichment, and
it evolved a new test, the "Lemon test," to be used to determine whether a
public program complied with the establishment clause. The requirement was
threefold: the program must have been enacted to serve a secular legislative
purpose; the program's "primary effect" must neither advance nor inhibit
religion; and the operation of the program must not involve government in
"excessive entanglement" with church-related institutions. Any program that
significantly benefited a religious school, even incidentally, the Court
held, would have the "primary effect of advancing religion." Armed with this
rigid formulation ("the fruit of the Lemon tree," one commentator called
it), the separationist block on the Court, led by Justice William Brennan,
continued to scythe down most programs that aided church-related schools
into the early 1980s.
This militant judicial separationism reached its zenith in Brennan's
majority opinion in Aguilar v. Felton in 1985. New York City, using federal
funds under Title 1 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965,
provided services to educationally deprived children in low-income areas by
allowing public school teachers to go into church-related schools to teach
math and reading and to provide guidance counseling. The schools removed
religious symbols from classrooms during the public school teachers' visits,
and city education officials kept watch to ensure that the publicly provided
instruction really was kept separate from programs of religious instruction.
Brennan pounced on this monitoring, declaring that it constituted "excessive
entanglement." The city was reduced to buying trailers (with scarce
educational dollars) and parking them at the curbside outside schools, so
the children could troop out to receive the services.
But even as Brennan triumphed in Aguilar, an intellectual counterattack
against the strict separationist misreading of the establishment clause was
finally gaining traction and undercutting the shallow historical foundation
on which the Court's separationism rested. Among the most important examples
of the new scholarship, Walter Berns's The First Amendment and the Future of
American Democracy had appeared in 1976, followed by Michael Malbin's
Religion and Politics: The Intentions of the Authors of the First Amendment
in 1978 and Robert Cord's Separation of Church and State in 1982. Carefully
and persistently, these authors exploded the separationist myth that Black
had conjured up in 1947. Even within the legal academy (where strict
separationism had been credulously accepted in the 1960s), the Lemon test
was coming under criticism from such figures as Professors Philip Kurland
and Michael McConnell of the University of Chicago Law School and Mary Ann
Glendon of the Harvard Law School as a wooden and unwieldy instrument for
dealing with contemporary America's multiplicity of differently nuanced
church-state issues.
All this ferment came to a head in a lengthy, impassioned dissenting opinion
by then-justice Rehnquist in a case called Wallace v. Jaffree, decided a few
weeks after Aguilar in the spring of 1985. Here the Brennan bloc struck down
a state law providing for a moment of silence as part of the opening of the
public school day. The majority insisted this was a backdoor encouragement
of prayer by the state. Incredible as it now appears, Rehnquist's dissent
contained the first full review of the historical evidence on the framing
and original meaning of the establishment clause by any member of the Court,
and his conclusion was devastating: "The Establishment Clause did not
require government neutrality between religion and irreligion nor did it
prohibit the federal government from providing non-discriminatory aid to
religion. There is simply no historical foundation for the position that the
Framers intended to build the 'wall of separation' that was
constitutionalized in Everson."
Things have never been the same for radical separationism; it has been on
the intellectual defensive ever since, with major scholarship adding to its
discomfort year by year, and new members of the Court distancing themselves
from the doctrine. Despite labored attempts by Justice David Souter and by a
few die-hard professors, the intellectual dominance of Warren-era
separationism cannot be restored either within the judiciary or the academy.
Does this mean the battle to reclaim the constitutional law of church and
state has been won and the future of vouchers is assured? No; but the
outlook is brighter than ever before. Two justices, Clarence Thomas and
Antonin Scalia, are in full agreement with Rehnquist's traditionalist
reading of the establishment clause. Two others, Anthony Kennedy and Sandra
Day O'Connor, are not prepared to turn their backs on Everson, but they have
both been critical of what they see as mechanical applications of the Lemon
test and have shown some flexibility on church-state issues. Four justices
continue to constitute a strict separationist bloc-John Paul Stevens, David
Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer-but even here some observers
suspect, based on hints buried in earlier decisions, that one or more of
them might support vouchers. Professor Laurence Tribe, Harvard's
left-leaning legal guru (who personally thinks vouchers are a "lousy idea"),
is also a very shrewd Court watcher, and he predicts that six or seven
justices might vote to sustain them.
Furthermore, the Court has already made some significant breaks with its
separationist past in its case law-notably, its reversal, in the spring of
1997, of Aguilar v. Felton. Invoking a little-used Supreme Court rule that
allows one of the original parties to a case to move to reopen it if
subsequent decisions of the Court have "eroded" the foundation of the
original decision, New York City persuaded the Court to reopen-and
overturn-Aguilar. Justice O'Connor, writing for the majority, held that
recent decisions of the Court had modified the Lemon test: no longer would
incidental benefits to religious institutions be held to have the effect of
"advancing religion," and no longer would it be presumed that public
employees functioning in sectarian institutional settings would require the
kind of government monitoring that would create "excessive entanglement." As
a result, the Board of Education teachers could go back into the parochial
schools, and the trailers could be hauled away.
This new decision, Agostini v. Felton, had an almost immediate salutary
effect in the legal battle over vouchers. The Milwaukee Parental Choice
Program, one of the nation's most promising voucher experiments, had been
tied up in a legal challenge for years and was before the Wisconsin Supreme
Court when Agostini came down. Last June, in a 4-2 decision, that court
sustained the program against both state and federal constitutional
challenges. The impact of Justice O'Connor's opinion in the New York case
was evident throughout Judge Donald W. Steinmetz's majority opinion in
Wisconsin. While dutifully noting that on the federal establishment clause
issue he was required to follow Lemon, Steinmetz noted that its "continued
authority . . . is uncertain," and he treated it as a general guide with
plenty of play at the joints.
Various parties to the Wisconsin suit have filed petitions asking the U.S.
Supreme Court to review the decision, and we should know within the next few
months whether the justices will agree to do so. But even should the Court
decline to take the Wisconsin case, there are enough others moving forward
around the country (including cases from Ohio, Vermont, and Maine) to make a
Supreme Court resolution of the matter likely sooner rather than later.
But even if things are looking up for vouchers at the federal constitutional
level, what about the state constitutions? Many of them, including New
York's, contain a "Blaine amendment"-a provision that specifically prohibits
state support of religious schools. It is often argued that in these states,
at least, voucher plans are unconstitutional, whatever the U.S. Supreme
Court decides. This argument is just as wrongheaded as arguments relying on
the federal establishment clause.
Seeing why requires a brief historical detour. The mid-1870s saw the first
of three major surges of bitterly anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant nativist
sentiment that disfigured post-Civil War America. (The second, particularly
relevant to New York, was in the mid-1890s, and the third in the early
1920s.) In 1875 the faltering Grant administration, stained by scandal and
casting about for a way to revive Republican prospects before the election
of 1876, moved to exploit this resurgent anti-Catholicism. Grant himself
delivered a tub-thumping speech before the veterans of the Army of the
Tennessee, urging them to see that "not one dollar appropriated" for
education be spent to support any but "free"-that is,
government-run-schools.
At this point, that prince of political opportunists, James G. Blaine, the
Maine Republican who was minority leader of the House of Representatives,
took the lead (it would be in Blaine's 1884 presidential campaign that the
Democrats would find themselves branded as the party of "Rum, Romanism, and
Rebellion"). He introduced the following amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
"No state shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; and no money raised by taxation in
any state for the support of the public schools . . . shall ever be under
the control of any religious sect." Blaine's amendment passed the House 180
to 7, but with 98 members not voting. In the Senate, a weaker version fell
short of the necessary two-thirds vote.
But thereafter, the idea of writing into state constitutions an explicit
provision guaranteeing that Catholic parochial schools would never receive a
share of the common school fund become a leading item on the agenda of
nativist thought and agitation. It received strong support from such
benighted and intolerant groups as the American Protective Association,
which spearheaded the anti-Catholic insurgency of the mid-1890s, and the
revived Ku Klux Klan, the most powerful organization in the nativist
outbreak of the l920s. Responding to these pressures, a number of states
added these provisions to their constitutions.
New York's Blaine amendment (actually Article XI, Section 3, of the state
Constitution) provides that "neither the state nor any subdivision thereof
shall use its property, directly or indirectly, in aid or maintenance . . .
of any school or institution of learning wholly or in part under the control
or direction of any religious denomination, or in which any denominational
tenet or doctrine is taught. . . ."
New York framed its present Constitution in 1894, at the peak of that
decade's anti-Catholic furor. The American Protective Association was a
major political force upstate that year, purporting to defend "true
Americanism" against the "subjects of an un-American ecclesiastical
institution" and retailing bogus papal encyclicals calling on Catholics to
"exterminate all heretics." A more genteel (but even more effective)
nativist formation, centered in the city and the southern counties, styled
itself the National League for the Protection of American Institutions.
Historians disagree as to the relative degrees of influence these groups
exercised over the leadership of the Republican Party that controlled the
Constitutional Convention, but all concur that, in winning the inclusion of
the school provision, nativist influence was decisive. The tone was set by
John Jay, urbane great-grandson of the Founding Father and a leading New
York City anti-Catholic, who denounced "the Roman hierarchy, with whose
widely organized and relentless hostility to American schools and American
principles our people . . . are fast becoming familiar." (The nativists
failed in their effort to include in the Constitution a ban on state support
of religiously affiliated hospitals and orphanages, principally because the
Jewish community maintained a number of these, and the combined strength of
Jewish and Catholic agitation was enough to determine the issue.)
Those who would today resort to New York's Blaine amendment (or to similar
provisions in other states) to attack voucher programs ought to be ashamed
of themselves. Wherever adopted, such provisions were the handiwork of men
whose vision of America was anything but pluralistic; they are part of the
darker side of our history. It is a bitter irony that some of the groups now
most ready to go to court on the basis of Blaine provisions-the American
Civil Liberties Union, for instance, and the Anti-Defamation League-were
originally organized to combat nativism and the kind of
One-Hundred-Percent-Americanism that sought to marginalize non-WASP
newcomers. And why in heaven's name should the NAACP be poised to defend the
handiwork of groups, including the Klan, that were uniformly hostile to the
aspirations of America's black people? Moreover, viewing religious schools,
and post-Vatican II Roman Catholic schools in particular, as dangerous
threats to American liberty is, to say the least, atavistic.
Aside from their unsavory origins, Blaine amendments are not, as a legal
matter, fatal to school choice plans that include religious schools. What is
forbidden by New York's Article XI, Section 3, for instance, is "aid," and
there is no reason-historical, logical, or legal-to understand this term as
encompassing any and all monies that might flow to church-related schools as
a result of some governmental program. In affirming the Milwaukee Parental
Choice Program, the Wisconsin Supreme Court had to deal with an objection
based on a Blaine-type provision in the Wisconsin Constitution. In response,
Judge Steinmetz and his colleagues relied on an earlier Wisconsin decision
in a case upholding tuition payments for veterans at religiously affiliated
high schools and colleges: "The contention that financial benefit accrues to
religion from [this program] is . . . untenable. Only the increased cost to
such schools occasioned by the attendance of beneficiaries is to be
reimbursed. They are not enriched by the service they render. Mere
reimbursement is not aid."
And this was exactly the position the New York State Court of Appeals took
on the last occasion it was asked to construe Article XI, Section 3. The
decision was in 1967, upholding an early Rockefeller program that lent
publicly purchased textbooks to independent schools, including those with
religious affiliations. With respect to the Blaine objection, Judge John F.
Scileppi wrote: "Since there is no intention to assist parochial schools as
such, any benefit accruing to those schools is a collateral effect of the
statute, and, therefore, cannot be properly classified as the giving of aid
directly or indirectly." Thus, the seemingly ferocious ban in New York's
Blaine amendment against giving aid to church-related schools either
"directly or indirectly" collapses in the case of vouchers, once it is
understood that, absent an "intention to assist," no aid is involved at all.
After all, what the original backers of Blaine amendments were aiming at was
the proposal, made by certain adventurous Catholic spokesmen in the late
nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, that parochial schools should
receive equal government funding with the public schools. Such a general
governmental underwriting of a religious school system, to which church
authorities exhorted Catholic parents to send their children, is altogether
different from what happens under a voucher plan. Here public funds are
placed at the disposal of parents in a program that is neutral among various
kinds of schools-the voucher might be used at a better public school in
another district or even another town; it might be used at a charter school;
or it might be used at a private school, either religious or non-religious.
The independent decisions of non-governmental third parties guide the
transmission of funds. Constitutional language designed a century ago to
preclude the complete funding of a sectarian school system cannot be
stretched to apply to vouchers today.
The constitutional assault on vouchers is as perverse at the state level as
it is at the federal. After all, for many years vouchers have been
acceptable at religiously affiliated colleges and universities and at
preschool and day-care facilities. Why should K-through-12 be different? The
traditional American understanding of the separation of church and state is
one of pragmatic flexibility, open to accommodations between religion and
the public order so long as these are non-discriminatory and not coercive of
conscience. The strict separationism of the old nativists, and of Justice
Black and the Warren Court, were aberrations.
Of course, defenders of the discredited views still control many commanding
heights in the media, the universities, and the legal profession. Justice
Black's Everson version of separation held sway for almost half a century,
taught from middle school to law school. Many judges still accept it
uncritically. The liberal establishment is determined to protect it and
extend it into a new century: "Breaching the Church-State Wall," the New
York Times cried in alarm, in response to the Wisconsin voucher decision.
The accumulated result of years of separationist bullying was hilariously
revealed a few years ago when former president George Bush was asked to
recall his thoughts as a young naval aviator, shot down and pitched into the
waters of the South Pacific. "What sustains you in times like that?" he
said. "Well, you go back to fundamental values. I thought about Mother and
Dad and the strength I got from them, and God, and faith-and the separation
of church and state." Now, we are not really to suppose that, as he
frantically paddled that "little yellow raft off the coast of an enemy-held
island," Lieutenant Bush was reflecting on Jefferson's letter to the Danbury
Baptists. What was operating was the reflex of an experienced,
late-twentieth-century American politician: better not invoke the Deity,
even in such a profoundly personal context, without immediately appeasing
the strict separationists.
It is time to put an end to such nonsense.

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ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
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> Dana wrote:
>
> > http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
> > Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
> > Richard E. Morgan
>
> Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.
>
> I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant south
> wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
> people...

Yawn! Typical socialist. Double speak on one hand he infers the south will
become more ignorant if they go to private school (what a laugh) Yet most
people have been educated in public schools then private so I guess you
figure people are stupid now because they go to public schools and if they
go to Private they will become more stupid?? Your to funny Smile


>just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
> example.

So if your NOT a socialist or vote for a socialist agenda that makes you
stupid. Love your comedy your good at it Smile

>
> I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,


SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars with
ears.


> not religious people, poor
> people, rich people educations.

Huh??

>
> My taxes are to be used for public education.

I don't have a say as to how my taxes are to be spent? Only you? Yep! That's
socialism!


>
> This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get
> another tax break.

Yeah much better to have the state take care of us right? They know way
better how to spend our money then we do. After all aren't our paychecks the
governments (tongue in cheek)

The attempts to use vouchers is not help public
> education.

You mean it doesn't give stupid teachers fat wallets!


>
> A few years back, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads
> attempted to foist their vouchers on the CA public. 640,000 kids of
> these shitheads were in private schools. They wanted $8,000 per year
> vouchers. Without ONE SINGLE KID going into the voucher program $5.12
> billion would have been removed from public education to appease the
> rich and religious. Fuck em. Fortunately people realized how
> despicable these GOP feces are and shut them down.


Yawn! Rest snipped because it is of little to no interest to those that love
our children and want only the best education out money (taxes) can buy Smile
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> Good Social programs needed in America

A hunting season on social liberals would be a great start.

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Scratch wrote:

>>I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,
>
>
>
> SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
> proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
> children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars with
> ears.

As I noted, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads attempted
to foist their vouchers on the CA public. You are a simply a miserable
shit that wants to create a society of have/havenots and keeping people
ignorant. Fuck off is what I say to your ilk.

I am sorry that the US has fuckheads like you that live in it.
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"Salad" wrote in message

> Scratch wrote:
>
> >>I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,
> >
> >
> >
> > SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
> > proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
> > children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars with
> > ears.
>
> As I noted, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads attempted
> to foist their vouchers on the CA public. You are a simply a miserable
> shit that wants to create a society of have/havenots and keeping people
> ignorant. Fuck off is what I say to your ilk.
>
> I am sorry that the US has fuckheads like you that live in it.

Awwww..., shuks tossed salad, you seeing your dream of continued screwing of
the public for more tax dollars slipping away? Well don't toss your salad
just yet. Heck in FOUR MORE YEARS you will get another chance at your
socialist/communist agenda. Until then........, Fuck you!

You all have a real nice day now, ya hear?


>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:52 am
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Socialist?

How old are you?


"Scratch" wrote in message

>
> "Salad" wrote in message
>
> > Dana wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
> > > Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
> > > Richard E. Morgan
> >
> > Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.
> >
> > I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant south
> > wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
> > people...
>
> Yawn! Typical socialist. Double speak on one hand he infers the south will
> become more ignorant if they go to private school (what a laugh) Yet most
> people have been educated in public schools then private so I guess you
> figure people are stupid now because they go to public schools and if they
> go to Private they will become more stupid?? Your to funny Smile
>
>
> >just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
> > example.
>
> So if your NOT a socialist or vote for a socialist agenda that makes you
> stupid. Love your comedy your good at it Smile
>
> >
> > I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,
>
>
> SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
> proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
> children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars with
> ears.
>
>
> > not religious people, poor
> > people, rich people educations.
>
> Huh??
>
> >
> > My taxes are to be used for public education.
>
> I don't have a say as to how my taxes are to be spent? Only you? Yep!
That's
> socialism!
>
>
> >
> > This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get
> > another tax break.
>
> Yeah much better to have the state take care of us right? They know way
> better how to spend our money then we do. After all aren't our paychecks
the
> governments (tongue in cheek)
>
> The attempts to use vouchers is not help public
> > education.
>
> You mean it doesn't give stupid teachers fat wallets!
>
>
> >
> > A few years back, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads
> > attempted to foist their vouchers on the CA public. 640,000 kids of
> > these shitheads were in private schools. They wanted $8,000 per year
> > vouchers. Without ONE SINGLE KID going into the voucher program $5.12
> > billion would have been removed from public education to appease the
> > rich and religious. Fuck em. Fortunately people realized how
> > despicable these GOP feces are and shut them down.
>
>
> Yawn! Rest snipped because it is of little to no interest to those that
love
> our children and want only the best education out money (taxes) can buy Smile
>
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Age? and that would have what to do with what? Tell me yours I'll tell you
mine Smile


"Roger" wrote in message

> Socialist?
>
> How old are you?
>
>
> "Scratch" wrote in message
>
> >
> > "Salad" wrote in message
> >
> > > Dana wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
> > > > Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
> > > > Richard E. Morgan
> > >
> > > Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.
> > >
> > > I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant
south
> > > wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
> > > people...
> >
> > Yawn! Typical socialist. Double speak on one hand he infers the south
will
> > become more ignorant if they go to private school (what a laugh) Yet
most
> > people have been educated in public schools then private so I guess you
> > figure people are stupid now because they go to public schools and if
they
> > go to Private they will become more stupid?? Your to funny Smile
> >
> >
> > >just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
> > > example.
> >
> > So if your NOT a socialist or vote for a socialist agenda that makes you
> > stupid. Love your comedy your good at it Smile
> >
> > >
> > > I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,
> >
> >
> > SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
> > proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
> > children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars with
> > ears.
> >
> >
> > > not religious people, poor
> > > people, rich people educations.
> >
> > Huh??
> >
> > >
> > > My taxes are to be used for public education.
> >
> > I don't have a say as to how my taxes are to be spent? Only you? Yep!
> That's
> > socialism!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get
> > > another tax break.
> >
> > Yeah much better to have the state take care of us right? They know way
> > better how to spend our money then we do. After all aren't our paychecks
> the
> > governments (tongue in cheek)
> >
> > The attempts to use vouchers is not help public
> > > education.
> >
> > You mean it doesn't give stupid teachers fat wallets!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > A few years back, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads
> > > attempted to foist their vouchers on the CA public. 640,000 kids of
> > > these shitheads were in private schools. They wanted $8,000 per year
> > > vouchers. Without ONE SINGLE KID going into the voucher program $5.12
> > > billion would have been removed from public education to appease the
> > > rich and religious. Fuck em. Fortunately people realized how
> > > despicable these GOP feces are and shut them down.
> >
> >
> > Yawn! Rest snipped because it is of little to no interest to those that
> love
> > our children and want only the best education out money (taxes) can buy
Smile
> >
>
>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:25 am
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Age?

How dumb are you?


"Scratch" wrote in message

> Age? and that would have what to do with what? Tell me yours I'll tell you
> mine Smile
>
>
> "Roger" wrote in message
>
> > Socialist?
> >
> > How old are you?
> >
> >
> > "Scratch" wrote in message
> >
> > >
> > > "Salad" wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Dana wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
> > > > > Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
> > > > > Richard E. Morgan
> > > >
> > > > Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.
> > > >
> > > > I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant
> south
> > > > wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
> > > > people...
> > >
> > > Yawn! Typical socialist. Double speak on one hand he infers the south
> will
> > > become more ignorant if they go to private school (what a laugh) Yet
> most
> > > people have been educated in public schools then private so I guess
you
> > > figure people are stupid now because they go to public schools and if
> they
> > > go to Private they will become more stupid?? Your to funny Smile
> > >
> > >
> > > >just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
> > > > example.
> > >
> > > So if your NOT a socialist or vote for a socialist agenda that makes
you
> > > stupid. Love your comedy your good at it Smile
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,
> > >
> > >
> > > SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
> > > proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
> > > children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars
with
> > > ears.
> > >
> > >
> > > > not religious people, poor
> > > > people, rich people educations.
> > >
> > > Huh??
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My taxes are to be used for public education.
> > >
> > > I don't have a say as to how my taxes are to be spent? Only you? Yep!
> > That's
> > > socialism!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get
> > > > another tax break.
> > >
> > > Yeah much better to have the state take care of us right? They know
way
> > > better how to spend our money then we do. After all aren't our
paychecks
> > the
> > > governments (tongue in cheek)
> > >
> > > The attempts to use vouchers is not help public
> > > > education.
> > >
> > > You mean it doesn't give stupid teachers fat wallets!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A few years back, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads
> > > > attempted to foist their vouchers on the CA public. 640,000 kids of
> > > > these shitheads were in private schools. They wanted $8,000 per
year
> > > > vouchers. Without ONE SINGLE KID going into the voucher program
$5.12
> > > > billion would have been removed from public education to appease the
> > > > rich and religious. Fuck em. Fortunately people realized how
> > > > despicable these GOP feces are and shut them down.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yawn! Rest snipped because it is of little to no interest to those
that
> > love
> > > our children and want only the best education out money (taxes) can
buy
> Smile
> > >
> >
> >
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:22 pm
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Again, the same tired argument cut-n-pasted verbatim from one post to
another and another.





"Salad" wrote in message

> Dana wrote:
>
>> http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
>> Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
>> Richard E. Morgan
>
> Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.
>
> I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant south
> wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
> people...just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
> example.
>
> I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education, not religious people, poor people,
> rich people educations.
>
> My taxes are to be used for public education.
>
> This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get another
> tax break. The attempts to use vouchers is not help public education.
>
> A few years back, the Fuck Everybody But Me party of GOP shitheads
> attempted to foist their vouchers on the CA public. 640,000 kids of these
> shitheads were in private schools. They wanted $8,000 per year vouchers.
> Without ONE SINGLE KID going into the voucher program $5.12 billion would
> have been removed from public education to appease the rich and religious.
> Fuck em. Fortunately people realized how despicable these GOP feces are
> and shut them down.
>
> These motherfuckers could care less about other people and their kids.
> They want a break for themselves at the expense of the working class. They
> want an uneducated class to service them in the future.
>
> Piss on them and and the evil they rode in on.
>
> Be vigilent about these soulless, phony vitue and moral people. Oppose
> them where ever they are.
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I'll be willing to bet Teresa Heinz Kerry's puddy hair has little balls of
toilet paper stuck in the mess!!!
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:53 pm
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:26:58 -0700, "Scratch"
added the following words, followed by my
wisdom:

>
>"Salad" wrote in message
>
>> Dana wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_4_yes_vouchers.html
>> > Yes, Vouchers Are Constitutional
>> > Richard E. Morgan
>>
>> Fuck R Morgan and the horse he rode in on.
>>
>> I will fight against vouchers....at least in CA. If the ignorant south
>> wants to become more ignorant, so be it. The US is full of stupid
>> people...
>
>Yawn! Typical socialist. Double speak on one hand he infers the south will
>become more ignorant if they go to private school (what a laugh) Yet most
>people have been educated in public schools then private so I guess you
>figure people are stupid now because they go to public schools and if they
>go to Private they will become more stupid?? Your to funny Smile
>

Whatever school you went to apparently wasn't very successful.

>
>>just look at the folks voting for bush if you need one more
>> example.
>
>So if your NOT a socialist or vote for a socialist agenda that makes you
>stupid.

No, if you vote for Bush it makes you stupid.

>> I am paying taxes for PUBLIC education,
>
>
>SO am I that's one reason I want to get rid of it. in 100 years it has
>proved to be a dismal failure. We need to do better then that for our
>children. Please stop looking at the kids as little federal dollars with
>ears.
>
>
>> not religious people, poor
>> people, rich people educations.
>
>Huh??
>
>>
>> My taxes are to be used for public education.
>
>I don't have a say as to how my taxes are to be spent? Only you? Yep! That's
>socialism!
>

I'm not surprised that you don't know what Socialism considering that
you are functionally illiterate.

>> This is an attempt by buttfucking cocksucking GOP fat cats to get
>> another tax break.
>
>Yeah much better to have the state take care of us right? They know way
>better how to spend our money then we do. After all aren't our paychecks the
>governments (tongue in cheek)
>

So you are opposed to changing the current system?
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