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Maggie

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:15 pm
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In December, I wrote to this group about Son#1's (S1) interest in
deferring enrollment for one year following high-school graduation.
The admission-application process was intense for him, mostly because
he was playing "merit aid bingo" -- looking for excellent schools that
also offered merit aid. He completed applications to nine schools,
plus several more separate merit-aid applications, and, combined with
a heavy academic load, the process was grueling for him.

A recap of his stats, for those who are curious: 1590 SATI (in one
sitting at 15), mid-to-high 700's SATIIs, top 1% in class, National
Merit Finalist, 4's and 5's on 7 AP exams taken as a HS freshman and
sophomore, and 17 classes at neighboring Big State U, including five
classes cross-listed as graduate-level classes, college GPA in the 3.9
range. Participated in foreign exchange, studied eight foreign
languages, is fluent in two and conversational in several others.
Played a varsity sport for four years, was captain of his team this
year, is a tutor for basic through AP-level classes.

Now that the college offers are in, S1 is highly conflicted. He's
been on a couple of merit-aid interview sessions and has returned
excited about going to college next year; deferred enrollment appears
to be off the table for him now. But now he's in turmoil, trying to
decide what path to take next. He was accepted everywhere he applied:
Emory, Duke, Harvard, Hopkins, Rochester, UNC Chapel Hill, Vanderbilt,
WashU, Yale. One school offered a four-year, full-ride scholarship,
two offered full tuition, another invited him for an interview for a
full-tuition scholarship, but he had a conflict and couldn't attend.
(WashU declined to consider him for merit aid and is no longer under
his consideration.) Additionally, he's a semifinalist for an
externally funded scholarship/job combo similar to ROTC -- full
tuition at any school, summer job, and after-graduation committment.
Although we do not qualify for need-based aid (silly me, I've been a
value-conscious saver all my life!), we've offered S1 a generous
tuition "allowance" that he can either spend on college tuition or, if
he uses merit aid, use for his future however he wants to.

He's in the throes of trying to decide what to do. He wants a good
fit, but he's not sure he'll recognize it. There seem to be too many
trade-offs for him to clearly evaluate everything. Full ride at
College X, no strings attached? Yale or Harvard, but a committment
after graduation, which is so far in his future that he's unsure about
signing on? Yale seems to be his top choice -- "on paper," at least,
although he's yet to visit. Harvard appeals to his 16-year-old sense
of name recognition, but imho would not be as good a fit as some of
the other schools. Still, there's that "H-bomb" effect (as his
interviewer put it -- S1 really connected with his Harvard alumni
interviewer). He wonders if he does not attend Harvard or Yale, will
he always regret it? When so many kids would give just about anything
to get in at these schools, could he just walk away? Will the
intellectual stimulation be noticeably different among his various
choices? (He's beginning to notice that now, at Big State U, although
there's still some intellectual headroom since he's taking classes
with students so much older than himself). He's excited, he's scared,
he's overjoyed, he's confused; he needs to decide by May 1 -- oy!

Maggie

PS He wants to know who you think he should invite to the prom, too
Smile

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:18 pm
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Maggie, wow, he's a monster! The question that leaped to my mind when
I read your post was -- what does he want to study? That should be a
factor. I would also suggest that he attempt to evaluate his relative
interest in the schools *without* the financial factor, and see if
that helps. He can factor it back in later.

Ah, such problems. Smile
Congratuations.

Anne

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:36 am
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Congratulations,

Visit both Harvard and Yale with him. If he can't make up his mind flip a
coin.

And of course he should invite YOU to the prom.

Wink

Abe

"Maggie" <pgmm1_0.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b50829c2.0404061715.20ad6f91@posting.google.com...
> In December, I wrote to this group about Son#1's (S1) interest in
> deferring enrollment for one year following high-school graduation.
> The admission-application process was intense for him, mostly because
> he was playing "merit aid bingo" -- looking for excellent schools that
> also offered merit aid. He completed applications to nine schools,
> plus several more separate merit-aid applications, and, combined with
> a heavy academic load, the process was grueling for him.
>
> A recap of his stats, for those who are curious: 1590 SATI (in one
> sitting at 15), mid-to-high 700's SATIIs, top 1% in class, National
> Merit Finalist, 4's and 5's on 7 AP exams taken as a HS freshman and
> sophomore, and 17 classes at neighboring Big State U, including five
> classes cross-listed as graduate-level classes, college GPA in the 3.9
> range. Participated in foreign exchange, studied eight foreign
> languages, is fluent in two and conversational in several others.
> Played a varsity sport for four years, was captain of his team this
> year, is a tutor for basic through AP-level classes.
>
> Now that the college offers are in, S1 is highly conflicted. He's
> been on a couple of merit-aid interview sessions and has returned
> excited about going to college next year; deferred enrollment appears
> to be off the table for him now. But now he's in turmoil, trying to
> decide what path to take next. He was accepted everywhere he applied:
> Emory, Duke, Harvard, Hopkins, Rochester, UNC Chapel Hill, Vanderbilt,
> WashU, Yale. One school offered a four-year, full-ride scholarship,
> two offered full tuition, another invited him for an interview for a
> full-tuition scholarship, but he had a conflict and couldn't attend.
> (WashU declined to consider him for merit aid and is no longer under
> his consideration.) Additionally, he's a semifinalist for an
> externally funded scholarship/job combo similar to ROTC -- full
> tuition at any school, summer job, and after-graduation committment.
> Although we do not qualify for need-based aid (silly me, I've been a
> value-conscious saver all my life!), we've offered S1 a generous
> tuition "allowance" that he can either spend on college tuition or, if
> he uses merit aid, use for his future however he wants to.
>
> He's in the throes of trying to decide what to do. He wants a good
> fit, but he's not sure he'll recognize it. There seem to be too many
> trade-offs for him to clearly evaluate everything. Full ride at
> College X, no strings attached? Yale or Harvard, but a committment
> after graduation, which is so far in his future that he's unsure about
> signing on? Yale seems to be his top choice -- "on paper," at least,
> although he's yet to visit. Harvard appeals to his 16-year-old sense
> of name recognition, but imho would not be as good a fit as some of
> the other schools. Still, there's that "H-bomb" effect (as his
> interviewer put it -- S1 really connected with his Harvard alumni
> interviewer). He wonders if he does not attend Harvard or Yale, will
> he always regret it? When so many kids would give just about anything
> to get in at these schools, could he just walk away? Will the
> intellectual stimulation be noticeably different among his various
> choices? (He's beginning to notice that now, at Big State U, although
> there's still some intellectual headroom since he's taking classes
> with students so much older than himself). He's excited, he's scared,
> he's overjoyed, he's confused; he needs to decide by May 1 -- oy!
>
> Maggie
>
> PS He wants to know who you think he should invite to the prom, too
> Smile
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:26 am
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Congratulations to your son. Go to Yale.
at least for a visit. Less than that he will regret.
Margaret



>, top 1% in class, National
>Merit Finalist, 4's and 5's on 7 AP exams taken as a HS freshman and
>sophomore, and 17 classes at neighboring Big State U, including five
>classes cross-listed as graduate-level classes, college GPA in the 3.9
>range. Participated in foreign exchange, studied eight foreign
>languages, is fluent in two and conversational in several others.
>Played a varsity sport for four years, was captain of his team this
>year, is a tutor for basic through AP-level classes.
>
>Now that the college offers are in, S1 is highly conflicted. He's
>been on a couple of merit-aid interview sessions and has returned
>excited about going to college next year; deferred enrollment appears
>to be off the table for him now. But now he's in turmoil, trying to
>decide what path to take next. He was accepted everywhere he applied:
>Emory, Duke, Harvard, Hopkins, Rochester, UNC Chapel Hill, Vanderbilt,
>WashU, Yale. One school offered a four-year, full-ride scholarship,
>two offered full tuition, another invited him for an interview for a
>full-tuition scholarship, but he had a conflict and couldn't attend.
>(WashU declined to consider him for merit aid and is no longer under
>his consideration.) Additionally, he's a semifinalist for an
>externally funded scholarship/job combo similar to ROTC -- full
>tuition at any school, summer job, and after-graduation committment.
>Although we do not qualify for need-based aid (silly me, I've been a
>value-conscious saver all my life!), we've offered S1 a generous
>tuition "allowance" that he can either spend on college tuition or, if
>he uses merit aid, use for his future however he wants to.
>
>He's in the throes of trying to decide what to do. He wants a good
>fit, but he's not sure he'll recognize it. There seem to be too many
>trade-offs for him to clearly evaluate everything. Full ride at
>College X, no strings attached? Yale or Harvard, but a committment
>after graduation, which is so far in his future that he's unsure about
>signing on? Yale seems to be his top choice -- "on paper," at least,
>although he's yet to visit. Harvard appeals to his 16-year-old sense
>of name recognition, but imho would not be as good a fit as some of
>the other schools. Still, there's that "H-bomb" effect (as his
>interviewer put it -- S1 really connected with his Harvard alumni
>interviewer). He wonders if he does not attend Harvard or Yale, will
>he always regret it? When so many kids would give just about anything
>to get in at these schools, could he just walk away? Will the
>intellectual stimulation be noticeably different among his various
>choices? (He's beginning to notice that now, at Big State U, although
>there's still some intellectual headroom since he's taking classes
>with students so much older than himself). He's excited, he's scared,
>he's overjoyed, he's confused; he needs to decide by May 1 -- oy!
>
>Maggie
>
>PS He wants to know who you think he should invite to the prom, too
>Smile
>
>
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:40 am
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annomalous2000.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Annomalous) wrote in message news:<81d333b4.0404071718.15f484a9.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> Maggie, wow, he's a monster! The question that leaped to my mind when
> I read your post was -- what does he want to study? That should be a
> factor. I would also suggest that he attempt to evaluate his relative
> interest in the schools *without* the financial factor, and see if
> that helps. He can factor it back in later.
>
> Ah, such problems. Smile
> Congratuations.
>
> Anne

Anne,

He's not certain what he wants to study, but right now linguistics,
several foreign languages, international relations/political science,
economics, and environmental sciences are at the top of his list.
He's taken upper-level/grad-level classes in all of these except poli
sci/int'l relations at Big State U, which has served to reinforce his
interest in these areas. He has real talent in mathematics, but
absolutely no interest in persuing it any further than the calc 3
(multivariate) level that he's already studied; similarly, he has
strong ability in physics with no interest in persuing it except
possibly in some physical science other than pure physics. He will
definitely want to spend his junior year studying abroad, and he would
like the opportunity for internships during his undergraduate years.
He knows that he most likely won't make the varsity team at any of
the schools he's been accepted at, but he would like to continue his
sport at the club level anyway.

When he first started taking classes at "BSU," it was such a "kid in a
candy store" experience for him -- so many great classes to choose
from! I'm hoping that where ever he goes next year, he'll continue to
be able to explore and discover his passion(s), learn from both his
professors and his peers, and have a great time while doing it.

Maggie
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:54 am
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"Abe Kohen" <akohen RemoveThis @xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c52ab5$2nt7eq$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Congratulations,
>
> Visit both Harvard and Yale with him. If he can't make up his mind flip a
> coin.
>
> And of course he should invite YOU to the prom.
>
> Wink
>
> Abe
>

Abe, I'd love to visit both with him, but these trips are killing our
budget! It's not like in the old days, when we lived on the East
Coast and could just take a big road trip to visit all of the schools
he's been accepted at. Our compromise is that he will visit his top
two choices in the south with parent(s), and he will try to decide
which of Harvard/Yale would be a better fit for him based on
information he can gather remotely, then choose one of these to visit
with one parent.

I think he's made a decision on prom date, and no, it's not Mom Smile.

Maggie
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:51 am
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Nine great choices. There was a recent book on decision paralysis when
confronted by abundance "The Choice Paradox", though it doesn't give an answer.

At first glance, I'd say go for one of the two Big Names. The exposure to
teachers and fellow students of high calibre is priceless.

On the other hand, only he and yourself understand his personality.
Going to a Big Name means becoming "average" in a sea of other super-achievers.
That shocked me for about two days and I got over it.
Another consideration is one's attitude toward toward money.
Having to go into debt gnaws at some people, even though the odds of
a high paying job down the line are increased. Also you may feel "poor"
compared to other students who can afford cars on campus (unnecessary) or
spend the summers on adventures instead of making money.
There is no right or wrong answer other than the Socratic dictum to
understand what makes you feel good or bad.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:30 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:50 pm
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"Maggie" <pgmm1_0.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b50829c2.0404080554.75d388d0@posting.google.com...
> "Abe Kohen" <akohen.TakeThisOut@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:<c52ab5$2nt7eq$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Congratulations,
> >
> > Visit both Harvard and Yale with him. If he can't make up his mind flip
a
> > coin.
> >
> > And of course he should invite YOU to the prom.
> >
> > Wink
> >
> > Abe
> >
>
> Abe, I'd love to visit both with him, but these trips are killing our
> budget! It's not like in the old days, when we lived on the East
> Coast and could just take a big road trip to visit all of the schools
> he's been accepted at. Our compromise is that he will visit his top
> two choices in the south with parent(s), and he will try to decide
> which of Harvard/Yale would be a better fit for him based on
> information he can gather remotely, then choose one of these to visit
> with one parent.

Harvard is $11.25 from NYC by Chinese bus($10) + 1.25 for the T.

Yale is $13.25 off peak from NYC on Metro North (and cheaper on the Web).


>
> I think he's made a decision on prom date, and no, it's not Mom Smile.

Whew! Glad to hear that.

Abe
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:38 pm
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When in doubt, pick Harvard.

Furthermore, why are you worrying about the cost to visit Harvard and
Yale? I am certain that the colleges may pay for your trip if he was
indeed recruited by both. Also, the $1000 or so is peanuts considering
his potential earning with a Harvard degree.

Perplexed about your hardship.


rick303 DeleteThis @hotmail.com (rick++) wrote in message news:<f7422d8e.0404080751.4fc4471b DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
> Nine great choices. There was a recent book on decision paralysis when
> confronted by abundance "The Choice Paradox", though it doesn't give an answer.
>
> At first glance, I'd say go for one of the two Big Names. The exposure to
> teachers and fellow students of high calibre is priceless.
>
> On the other hand, only he and yourself understand his personality.
> Going to a Big Name means becoming "average" in a sea of other super-achievers.
> That shocked me for about two days and I got over it.
> Another consideration is one's attitude toward toward money.
> Having to go into debt gnaws at some people, even though the odds of
> a high paying job down the line are increased. Also you may feel "poor"
> compared to other students who can afford cars on campus (unnecessary) or
> spend the summers on adventures instead of making money.
> There is no right or wrong answer other than the Socratic dictum to
> understand what makes you feel good or bad.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:20 am
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rick303.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (rick++) wrote in message news:<f7422d8e.0404080751.4fc4471b.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> Nine great choices. There was a recent book on decision paralysis when
> confronted by abundance "The Choice Paradox", though it doesn't give an answer.
>
> At first glance, I'd say go for one of the two Big Names. The exposure to
> teachers and fellow students of high calibre is priceless.
>
> On the other hand, only he and yourself understand his personality.
> Going to a Big Name means becoming "average" in a sea of other super-achievers.
> That shocked me for about two days and I got over it.
> Another consideration is one's attitude toward toward money.
> Having to go into debt gnaws at some people, even though the odds of
> a high paying job down the line are increased. Also you may feel "poor"
> compared to other students who can afford cars on campus (unnecessary) or
> spend the summers on adventures instead of making money.
> There is no right or wrong answer other than the Socratic dictum to
> understand what makes you feel good or bad.

Rick, thanks for the pointer to "The Paradox of Choice" -- I read it
on the airplane as we headed off
to UNC-Chapel Hill last week. The chapter on regret, in particular,
was helpful to me. Son #1 is now reading the book; he seems to be what
the author calls a "satisficer," a person who is content to make a
good choice, as opposed to a "maximizer," who stresses about making
the absolutely best choice. In theory, this should make the
decision-making process easier for him than if he were a maximizer.

He's progressed from the Final Four (Emory and UNC-Chapel Hill in the
southeast, Harvard and Yale in the northeast) to the finals
(UNC-Chapel Hil and Yale). His visit to UNC-CH went extremely well:
his student host was an amazingly accomplished and bright young man
whose friendly, open, and unpretentious demeanor represented the
Carolina Scholars program exceedingly well. A visit to the
linguistics department, sitting in on classes, and general
observations of friendly, *happy*, and considerate students added up
to a very positive experience. In contrast, the visit to Duke was
quite negative for him; he wasn't able to articulate all of his
observations, but he said he just couldn't wait to get out of there.
(The only thing that I noticed was that all three of the student
conversations that I eavesdropped on were about getting really drunk;
in contrast, the four or five that I overheard on the UNC campus were
all related to academics -- I know, a way-too-small sample, but
interesting to me, nevertheless)

So now Son #1 is on his way to attend Yale Bulldog Days (a two-day
event for admitted students) tomorrow and Tuesday. He's looking for
reasons to choose Yale, and also for reasons to reject it. So far,
he's really been impressed with all of the Yale alums with whom he's
been in contact: his alumi interviewer, his admissions rep, and all
of the people he met at the local reception for Yale admits from our
region. He's received a fair amount of positive attention from Yale,
which adds to the case for choosing it. There certainly is the
potential for feeling like a small fish in a big pond at Yale,
although I think that he is quite capable of getting over it if he
needs to. However, I also quite honestly think that he has the
potential to be a big fish even at Yale, so I'm not sure that will be
too much of an issue when it comes time to make up his mind.

Thanks again for bringing the Paradox of Choice to my attention; it
will undoubtably be helpful to our entire family as Son #1 makes his
final choice. I'll keep you all posted when May 1 rolls around!

Maggie
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pgmm1_0.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Maggie) wrote in message

With the glorious list of schools: Emory, Duke, Harvard, Hopkins,
Rochester, UNC Chapel Hill, Vanderbilt, WashU and Yale, why UNC?

If UNC, why not Duke. If your number 1 son was accepted by Harvard and
Yale, I am 90% sure that he had near full merit scholarships for JHU
and Duke. The rest of the expenses could have come from work study or
studying at the dorm front desk.

I knew of a student who turned down Harvard and went to Duke's medical
program on a full scholarship. Another turned down Harvard and went to
Stanford with as a Presidential Scholar (2K a year but lots of perks).


news:<b50829c2.0404182120.fa1fe4d.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> rick303.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (rick++) wrote in message news:<f7422d8e.0404080751.4fc4471b.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> > Nine great choices. There was a recent book on decision paralysis when
> > confronted by abundance "The Choice Paradox", though it doesn't give an answer.
> >
> > At first glance, I'd say go for one of the two Big Names. The exposure to
> > teachers and fellow students of high calibre is priceless.
> >
> > On the other hand, only he and yourself understand his personality.
> > Going to a Big Name means becoming "average" in a sea of other super-achievers.
> > That shocked me for about two days and I got over it.
> > Another consideration is one's attitude toward toward money.
> > Having to go into debt gnaws at some people, even though the odds of
> > a high paying job down the line are increased. Also you may feel "poor"
> > compared to other students who can afford cars on campus (unnecessary) or
> > spend the summers on adventures instead of making money.
> > There is no right or wrong answer other than the Socratic dictum to
> > understand what makes you feel good or bad.
>
> Rick, thanks for the pointer to "The Paradox of Choice" -- I read it
> on the airplane as we headed off
> to UNC-Chapel Hill last week. The chapter on regret, in particular,
> was helpful to me. Son #1 is now reading the book; he seems to be what
> the author calls a "satisficer," a person who is content to make a
> good choice, as opposed to a "maximizer," who stresses about making
> the absolutely best choice. In theory, this should make the
> decision-making process easier for him than if he were a maximizer.
>
> He's progressed from the Final Four (Emory and UNC-Chapel Hill in the
> southeast, Harvard and Yale in the northeast) to the finals
> (UNC-Chapel Hil and Yale). His visit to UNC-CH went extremely well:
> his student host was an amazingly accomplished and bright young man
> whose friendly, open, and unpretentious demeanor represented the
> Carolina Scholars program exceedingly well. A visit to the
> linguistics department, sitting in on classes, and general
> observations of friendly, *happy*, and considerate students added up
> to a very positive experience. In contrast, the visit to Duke was
> quite negative for him; he wasn't able to articulate all of his
> observations, but he said he just couldn't wait to get out of there.
> (The only thing that I noticed was that all three of the student
> conversations that I eavesdropped on were about getting really drunk;
> in contrast, the four or five that I overheard on the UNC campus were
> all related to academics -- I know, a way-too-small sample, but
> interesting to me, nevertheless)
>
> So now Son #1 is on his way to attend Yale Bulldog Days (a two-day
> event for admitted students) tomorrow and Tuesday. He's looking for
> reasons to choose Yale, and also for reasons to reject it. So far,
> he's really been impressed with all of the Yale alums with whom he's
> been in contact: his alumi interviewer, his admissions rep, and all
> of the people he met at the local reception for Yale admits from our
> region. He's received a fair amount of positive attention from Yale,
> which adds to the case for choosing it. There certainly is the
> potential for feeling like a small fish in a big pond at Yale,
> although I think that he is quite capable of getting over it if he
> needs to. However, I also quite honestly think that he has the
> potential to be a big fish even at Yale, so I'm not sure that will be
> too much of an issue when it comes time to make up his mind.
>
> Thanks again for bringing the Paradox of Choice to my attention; it
> will undoubtably be helpful to our entire family as Son #1 makes his
> final choice. I'll keep you all posted when May 1 rolls around!
>
> Maggie
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