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hlmencken

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:29 pm
Post subject: Can my defaulted student loan be bought from the government
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I defaulted on a stafford loan several years back and it was turned
over to the Dept. of Justice. Since August of 2000, I've been making
payments, and the current balance is just under $10,000. Since I was
in default in ligitation, my financial aid counselors here at U. of Al
told me that I was ineligible for any federal aid until the loan is
paid back in full. Then, they told me to try private lenders, like
Sallie Mae, are my last resort. I apply to Sallie Mae and their
requirements for student with defaulted loan is that a person needs to
make 12 consecutive payments on time and be current. When I called
the lady to who handles my account at the U.S. attorney's office in
Birmingham,(a real dingbat)she said that I am current but haven't been
making payments on time. She, then, tells me that the postmark date
was not the due date, after 3 friggin years. Now, earliest I'm
eligible for student loans with Sallie Mae is next August or have my
loan bought from the government to receive federal aid. If anyone can
help me, I appreciate the info. very much.

Sincerely,

Hlmencken

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 6:53 am
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If DOJ has the loan your loan was probably reduced to a judgement. My first
question is - has the loan been reduced to a judgement?

There are certain conditions when you can qualify for additional T-IV (title 4)
aid and loans if one or more of your T-IV loans are in default.

1. Consolidate your loan with the Federal Direct Loan Program with no-money down
and go on an income contingent repayment plan
2. Make 3 consecutive payments and consolidate with a private lender or the
Direct loan program
3. Make 6 consecutive On-time reasonable and affordable payments
4. Make 12 consecutive On-time reasonable and affordable payments and
rehabilitate your loan.

Also, ED has said that judgement debtors can make payments above and beyond the
judgement payment plan amount to be considered voluntary... But you really
cannot do this because your judgement connotes that every penny is due and
payable in full immediately. It is a catch 22...

I do understand that some guaranty agencies as well as the Department of
Education have vacated judgements - when applicable - and allowed the debtor to
consolidate or rehabilitate their loan. But I have not heard of this happening
at DOJ.

Sallie Mae gave you their rehabilitation criteria - not consolidation criteria.

I think that you need to convince DOJ that it is in the government's (the
people's) best interest to vacate the judgement... A tough argument - but it has
been made successfully in other federal agencies. Also, have the US Attorney
explain "timely" and see if it stands in the statutory and regulatory definition
- plus or minus 15 days of the established due date... Maybe this can help you
and she can recalculate the timeliness of your payments. If you think she is
wrong... get proof in the form of all the canceled checks of the last few
years...

On 8 Aug 2003 11:29:14 -0700, hlmencken.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (hlmencken) wrote:

Neutral>I defaulted on a stafford loan several years back and it was turned
Neutral>over to the Dept. of Justice. Since August of 2000, I've been making
Neutral>payments, and the current balance is just under $10,000. Since I was
Neutral>in default in ligitation, my financial aid counselors here at U. of Al
Neutral>told me that I was ineligible for any federal aid until the loan is
Neutral>paid back in full. Then, they told me to try private lenders, like
Neutral>Sallie Mae, are my last resort. I apply to Sallie Mae and their
Neutral>requirements for student with defaulted loan is that a person needs to
Neutral>make 12 consecutive payments on time and be current. When I called
Neutral>the lady to who handles my account at the U.S. attorney's office in
Neutral>Birmingham,(a real dingbat)she said that I am current but haven't been
Neutral>making payments on time. She, then, tells me that the postmark date
Neutral>was not the due date, after 3 friggin years. Now, earliest I'm
Neutral>eligible for student loans with Sallie Mae is next August or have my
Neutral>loan bought from the government to receive federal aid. If anyone can
Neutral>help me, I appreciate the info. very much.
Neutral>
Neutral> Sincerely,
Neutral>
Neutral> Hlmencken

Bravejoe

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Can my defaulted student loan be bought from the government [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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bravejoe <bravejoet1 RemoveThis @earthlink.us.com> wrote in message news:<cgogjv47ub4rlasruv37tq52oe8ik2s31t RemoveThis @4ax.com>...
> If DOJ has the loan your loan was probably reduced to a judgement. My first
> question is - has the loan been reduced to a judgement?
>
> There are certain conditions when you can qualify for additional T-IV (title 4)
> aid and loans if one or more of your T-IV loans are in default.
>
> 1. Consolidate your loan with the Federal Direct Loan Program with no-money down
> and go on an income contingent repayment plan
> 2. Make 3 consecutive payments and consolidate with a private lender or the
> Direct loan program
> 3. Make 6 consecutive On-time reasonable and affordable payments
> 4. Make 12 consecutive On-time reasonable and affordable payments and
> rehabilitate your loan.
>
> Also, ED has said that judgement debtors can make payments above and beyond the
> judgement payment plan amount to be considered voluntary... But you really
> cannot do this because your judgement connotes that every penny is due and
> payable in full immediately. It is a catch 22...
>
> I do understand that some guaranty agencies as well as the Department of
> Education have vacated judgements - when applicable - and allowed the debtor to
> consolidate or rehabilitate their loan. But I have not heard of this happening
> at DOJ.
>
> Sallie Mae gave you their rehabilitation criteria - not consolidation criteria.
>
> I think that you need to convince DOJ that it is in the government's (the
> people's) best interest to vacate the judgement... A tough argument - but it has
> been made successfully in other federal agencies. Also, have the US Attorney
> explain "timely" and see if it stands in the statutory and regulatory definition
> - plus or minus 15 days of the established due date... Maybe this can help you
> and she can recalculate the timeliness of your payments. If you think she is
> wrong... get proof in the form of all the canceled checks of the last few
> years...
>
> On 8 Aug 2003 11:29:14 -0700, hlmencken RemoveThis @hotmail.com (hlmencken) wrote:
>
> Neutral>I defaulted on a stafford loan several years back and it was turned
> Neutral>over to the Dept. of Justice. Since August of 2000, I've been making
> Neutral>payments, and the current balance is just under $10,000. Since I was
> Neutral>in default in ligitation, my financial aid counselors here at U. of Al
> Neutral>told me that I was ineligible for any federal aid until the loan is
> Neutral>paid back in full. Then, they told me to try private lenders, like
> Neutral>Sallie Mae, are my last resort. I apply to Sallie Mae and their
> Neutral>requirements for student with defaulted loan is that a person needs to
> Neutral>make 12 consecutive payments on time and be current. When I called
> Neutral>the lady to who handles my account at the U.S. attorney's office in
> Neutral>Birmingham,(a real dingbat)she said that I am current but haven't been
> Neutral>making payments on time. She, then, tells me that the postmark date
> Neutral>was not the due date, after 3 friggin years. Now, earliest I'm
> Neutral>eligible for student loans with Sallie Mae is next August or have my
> Neutral>loan bought from the government to receive federal aid. If anyone can
> Neutral>help me, I appreciate the info. very much.
> Neutral>
> Neutral> Sincerely,
> Neutral>
> Neutral> Hlmencken
>
> Bravejoe
>
> "That's my opinion. I could be wrong." Dennis Miller
> "It Doesn't Matter!" Bravejoe
>
> remove the "t1","us" and replace "com" with "net" from my email address to reply privately.
>
> "There's fodder for the cannons and the guilty ones can all sleep safely." Andy Partridge XTC

BraveJoe


A question: what is reduced by judgement? In august of 2000, a
federal marshal came to my apartment and summon the papers saying that
I was being sued by the federal govt.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Re: Can my defaulted student loan be bought from the government [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 13 Aug 2003 14:08:46 -0700, hlmencken.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (hlmencken) wrote:

Neutral>bravejoe <bravejoet1.RemoveThis@earthlink.us.com> wrote in message news:<cgogjv47ub4rlasruv37tq52oe8ik2s31t.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
Neutral>> If DOJ has the loan your loan was probably reduced to a judgement. My first
Neutral>> question is - has the loan been reduced to a judgement?
<<snip>>
Neutral>
Neutral>A question: what is reduced by judgement? In august of 2000, a
Neutral>federal marshal came to my apartment and summon the papers saying that
Neutral>I was being sued by the federal govt.

When you are sued by a governmental entity - by anyone with a contract for that
matter - the promissory note - in most states - is nullified by the judgement
and the court order becomes your contractual obligation to pay the debt. Some
states carry the interest rate and other terms of the original promissory note
into the judgement or set interest rates and payment plans by state (or federal)
statute...

That is what I mean by "reduced to a judgement".

Bravejoe

"That's my opinion. I could be wrong." Dennis Miller
"It Doesn't Matter!" Bravejoe

remove the "t1","us" and replace "com" with "net" from my email address to reply privately.

"There's fodder for the cannons and the guilty ones can all sleep safely." Andy Partridge XTC
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:19 pm
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bravejoe <bravejoet1.RemoveThis@earthlink.us.com> wrote in message news:<5j1qjvgmqrjl9vi5va133o8pqtdp5ls44c.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
> On 13 Aug 2003 14:08:46 -0700, hlmencken.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (hlmencken) wrote:
>
> Neutral>bravejoe <bravejoet1.RemoveThis@earthlink.us.com> wrote in message news:<cgogjv47ub4rlasruv37tq52oe8ik2s31t.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
> Neutral>> If DOJ has the loan your loan was probably reduced to a judgement. My first
> Neutral>> question is - has the loan been reduced to a judgement?
> <<snip>>
> Neutral>
> Neutral>A question: what is reduced by judgement? In august of 2000, a
> Neutral>federal marshal came to my apartment and summon the papers saying that
> Neutral>I was being sued by the federal govt.
>
> When you are sued by a governmental entity - by anyone with a contract for that
> matter - the promissory note - in most states - is nullified by the judgement
> and the court order becomes your contractual obligation to pay the debt. Som
> states carry the interest rate and other terms of the original promissory note
> into the judgement or set interest rates and payment plans by state (or federal)
> statute...
>
> That is what I mean by "reduced to a judgement".
>
> Bravejoe
>
> "That's my opinion. I could be wrong." Dennis Miller
> "It Doesn't Matter!" Bravejoe
>
> remove the "t1","us" and replace "com" with "net" from my email address to reply privately.
>
> "There's fodder for the cannons and the guilty ones can all sleep safely." Andy Partridge XTC
Yes BraveJoe it was reduced to judgement
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